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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Tags (yet again)
It is still unbeknownst to me why tags weren't implemented yet, or why are some so stubbornly against it. This portal is almost completely based on IMDb, and tags are one of the most useful features on that site.
Just a few of the useful features it would bring:
- finding demos containing an effect, record, theme...
- finding musics with a specific style, instrument, musical technique...
- finding images with a certain motive, character, technique, color-sceme...
- finding a specific usage of a tool/utility
- finding a magazine with an article about XY
- etc. etc...
It wouldn't take more than an hour to implement: another textbox on the "add comments" page with the Tags label (separated with commas) -> parsing the field and popping it out on the profile-page (as links, so if I'd click on a tag, I'd be redirected to a search-results page with a list of all those products where the same or similar tag was present).
Of course it wouldn't work right away, populating would certainly take some time. Just as everything else on this site.
Any thoughts? And in case of another instant rejection, I'd definitely love to get a bit more reasonable answer than the usual "I don't think we need it. Oh, and look here's my middle finger too. thxbai"
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Quote: Quote:but you often seem to completely forget that the site is actually based on hundreds, if not thousands of people
you are a bit naive there. 99% of the work here is done by about 1% of the csdb users. (you know who you are)
and thats why unless *these* users speak up, there is little chance for tags (or anything else really) turn into something useful. and thats why i am against it - i'd rather spend my time on supporting this handful users that actually does something useful. (one of them already spoke up - not to your consent however)
By "based on hundreds of people", I meant that it is based on their work, the releases those people made. You wouldn't have a database to maintain without them, yet you still act like their presence is for granted.
And for the matter of speaking up, I've got a positive PM from a very active submitter (right from the top10). And it seems that you missed it when the #12 submitter spoke up in favor of the tags. Interestingly, you also skipped commenting the posts where some of us volunteered for filling up some of the releases with tags.
All that doesn't surprise me though, seems like you systematically ignore everything that doesn't suits your way of thinking, and keep bringing up the problems with the idea which we already found solutions for, or we explained why it shouldn't be a problem at all. This selective, ignorant, deliberate blindness is simply insulting and disrespectful. Especially towards those hard working individuals who help this site by popping out actual releases instead of pushing Db data from left to right. |
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JCB
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Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 241 |
Just as I thought, excuses =) |
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Mermaid
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 338 |
Add me to the list of lazy useless non-contributors who think tags would be cool, please. |
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JCB
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Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 241 |
If that 1% are already doing a good job of updating the database just take the existing DB and convert it to tags, then they can continue to do what they're doing with tags instead. All you need is a system similar to C64pixels eg a/ for artist c/ coder m/ musician y/ year etc etc then you've got a shit load of pre-made, pre-approved tags that already make the db a hell of a lot easier to search.
Being able to type all that in in 1 box when submitting would also be a hell of a lot easier than the current submission backwards and forwards shenanigans.
New release t/NEW DEMO c/DANE m/Hubbard a/Jailbird etc etc
I want to see all demos by c/oswald m/hubbard y/1992
The majority of work is for whoever codes it to come up with a system that's internally very complete but makes it as easy as possible for the end user.
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
yeah. so its a good thing that this isn't actually YOUR site Groepaz. Even though people could be forgiven for thinking it is.
remember when we asked for email notifications and PM previews?
I recall you said there was no point for THEM either.
Then Perff clocked the thread and said "what a good idea" and POOF! they appeared overnight.
so really guys, why are we arguing the toss with the organ grinders monkey? |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
I find it interesting groepaz always only mentions WHY it wont work.
I'd be interested to know if he personally thinks the concept of tags is a bad idea in general
or just that they wont work because us CSDb users are a bunch of retarded lazy idiots (except for his precious 1% ofc).
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Quoting StainlessI'd be interested to know if he personally thinks the concept of tags is a bad idea in general
Lemme help you by quoting him word by word: "I don't think it's useful". Ignorance is a bliss. |
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Celtic
Administrator
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 807 |
Quote: If that 1% are already doing a good job of updating the database just take the existing DB and convert it to tags, then they can continue to do what they're doing with tags instead. All you need is a system similar to C64pixels eg a/ for artist c/ coder m/ musician y/ year etc etc then you've got a shit load of pre-made, pre-approved tags that already make the db a hell of a lot easier to search.
Being able to type all that in in 1 box when submitting would also be a hell of a lot easier than the current submission backwards and forwards shenanigans.
New release t/NEW DEMO c/DANE m/Hubbard a/Jailbird etc etc
I want to see all demos by c/oswald m/hubbard y/1992
The majority of work is for whoever codes it to come up with a system that's internally very complete but makes it as easy as possible for the end user.
Hi! Yes, i am still for it, but the quote above to me is not a possitive but a negative. What i mean is the following:
New release t/NEW DEMO c/DANE m/Hubbard a/Jailbird
OK, who removes the tag new after six months. Why do the credits (which have been added through hard labour over the last 12 years) suddenly need to be in the tags.
I want to see all demos by c/oswald m/hubbard y/1992 >you can!, by simply using advanced search options.
Look 99% of the releases are 'tagged' by group, creators, with filetype, with credits, etc.etc. I think a tag system will be usefull for inputting Effect types, or subject matter. But the rest, no, I object.
A tag system will probably be faster then the way we add credits now (in my head it is), so i can see Groepaz' argument working about people just dumping anything in the tags to get it done qucikly. That is speaking from the point of view of Database intergrity, and to me, and probably to some others it is very important.
I also agree with Groepaz that some people who put in loads and loads of work (cba, ian, r242, violator, grenouille, wackee, fred, etc.etc.) in the past and in the future should have some words in this.
I still think a tag system is a nice thing to have, however the way it should be implemented, and how it should work in combination with out advanced search options is something that will need to be worked out.
Instead of all jumping on Groepaz because he is playing the 'bad-guy' really think about the system, how it should work, what should be in it, etc.etc. Like the things that Jailbird posted.
Nothing will be done without this all being thought through.
...and those were my pearls of wisdom :) |
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Cresh
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 354 |
If the whole idea of tagging files works fine on scenesites like for example http://artcity.bitfellas.org/ and http://c64pixels.com/main.php (whoever tags them) - why not try them in here.
Ok, I am also that bitch who comes here and demands stuff. Sorry. |
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JCB
Account closed
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 241 |
You've just misunderstood t/ ;) t/ = Title I just used NEW DEMO because I couldn't think of a demo name :P
The credits don't NEED to be in the tags, but to me it just means that the majority of the DB CAN be tags and is therefore more integrated.
c/oswald m/hubbard y/1992 + ifli plasma etc now where's the problem? If the data is there it shouldn't be separated. |
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