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2013-12-30 09:27

Bitbreaker

Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 501

boobsploitation

So i never understood the fuzz about choosing boobs as a motif. Nude bodies have always been part of art. Also boobs are a thankful motif, as they keep one motivated to continue and finish a picture. Actually i adore and worship the female body. For me, nothing does feel wrong about that. But i somehow feel like there's a lot of mental masturbation going on. So feel free to bring your arguments against boobs forward. Maybe some nice drama will develop from that!
And yes, of course i'll continue drawing boobs, don't bother :-)

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2014-01-03 23:52

CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3039

No bouncing, too much face, error.

But it's promising technology ;-)

2014-01-03 23:53

Deev

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 206

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To me it doesn't look like it matters for the complainers if the boobs are a copy (poor from an artistic view, but i'd still watch them, as it's boobs) or selfmade. Even if selfmade i am confronted with comments that carry the message: "actually boobs are bad, but i make a exception with this one". For me that always leads to the conclusion that i have to do with unfucked morons that moved their wanking to the brain. So am i just right with my conclusion or is anyone willing to bring me that strange thinking a bit closer? Are there really deep thoughts behind it or is it a brainless copying of empty politcal correctness terms?

I dont think whether something is a copy or not matters here, its more about what impression you give. Eg. theres a big difference between this

Junglefut

and this

Flickerless flickor

and Im not just talking technical quality.

As a standalone pic, I think Flickerless flickor is great. I really like the colouring of the background and the flower, the way the light is shinning and her expression as she looks towards it, the curves in her hair, and the way the body is pixelled (especially if its no copy). The nudity is irrelevant; it doesnt just look like a girl longingly waiting to be fucked so she can gain the approval of a man (and if thats all it was intended to be, youve failed :) ).

It is noticeable that there are breasts in everything you do though, which might make people wonder whether you can see anything beyond them.

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Even if it were "porn" (that term differs in definition from person to person, but let's assume I mean "explicit depictions of sexual acts") What's the big deal? Why should this bother anyone who is an adult?

Were back to the need to have a public wank again

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No, and that's the odd thing. We're only talking about nudity. Never seems to be any controversy over violence.

Has violence been a regular fixture in C64 demos? In particular, are there demos which reaffirm long standing violent attitudes towards a certain group of people, in the way sexist imagery reaffirms attitudes that have resulted in the oppression of women? I suppose one comparable example would be the use of swastikas in demos, which when they have appeared have been heavily criticised. Racism, whilst not exclusively violent, can come in the form of violence and has been used to oppress groups of people, but most competitions expressly forbid racist content in demos. Not sure what youre referring to here?

2014-01-04 01:53

chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11293

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So youre saying its about having some kind of public wank? Thats what I thought

yes, apparently that is what your dirty little mind is thinking. but keep me out of that, please. i admire the beauty of the female body, and that includes breasts and vulvas. no more no less. deal with it.
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Were back to the need to have a public wank again

you seem to be a bit fixated on wanking in public, are ya?

2014-01-04 03:13

Deev

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 206

Elegant response.

2014-01-04 05:45

Six

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 289

There's always that one guy - the one who puts on to be the militant feminist - and all the other guys aren't supposed to realize that he's simply hoping some woman will notice and bang him for it.

2014-01-04 06:09

Deev

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 206

Because women just can't stay away from the CSDb forums...

2014-01-04 11:52

jailbird

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1576

Quoting Deev

Has violence been a regular fixture in C64 demos? Not sure what youre referring to here?

I assume he's referring to fighting, death scenes, cruelty, drugs, gore, blood, guns, knifes, etc, etc.

I could easily imagine some sensitive people finding them much more or just as inappropriate and upsetting as the female nude imagery - which is, contrary to the quite powerful representations of violence (with a lot of them being acclaimed and praised here), almost nonexistent on today's C64 scene. So I still don't get what's the big fuss about.

And a bit of anecdotal personal experience here: my girlfriend seemed upset/disgusted when she saw Electric's latest punching picture, but laughed out loud and honestly on Bitbreaker's titjob (she found the picture very naive and childish). But then again, maybe she's just sexist.

2014-01-04 12:37

hollowman

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 474

And anyone objecting to racism is just hoping for an orgy with PoC.

Well written replies by Deev, ofcourse totally wasted on the other people in this thread, but if someone stumbles upon csdb they will see that there was atleast one person in c64 scene who evolved mentally after the age of 13.

2014-01-04 12:59

CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3039

Jailbird: very good examples. Checked with my own feelings towards the presented and I find your GF's reactions quite natural. I don't say I would be disgusted by Electric's pic or laugh at Bitrbreaker's one, but definitely there is difference between them. Both are more or less technically brilliant (I'm not speaking about composition and perspective), but they differ in "communication" they create.(I'm afraid to use word "discourse" because it's many years since I left the school ;-)

"Countes of Boob" (let's not count the name into the equation ;-) looks like an attempt to create a nice picture. The attempt to make everything looking nice (detailed background) and accurate (lighting) and finished is apparent from every pixel of the pic. It doesn't raise (nor attempts to) any questions. Either you like it or not. It tries to be decent (maybe even romantic) and yet it is vulgar at the same time. I'm sure about one thing, your girlfriend wouldn't laugh if this pic was just the frame of the original featuring just torso of the girl (no head visible, no bed just that left part of pic), or different background.. for example children's bed in the corner, or neglected old kitchen ;-)) The laughability factor is in it's obvious naive attempt for perfection.

"Exploding fist" depicts the dynamic action, the motion of hand landing on the face, and the consequences. It doesn't try to be (photo)realistic, and still it is capable of raising the negative emotional response and questions. Why the punch? What does it mean? Yes, you can try to question author's maurity, but still consider his intentions.

2014-01-04 13:17

Mermaid

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 338

I guess I'm one of the "complainers"? Let me begin by pointing out that I have no problem with pictures like Nightflight. I think Deev makes some excellent points.

Quoting Jailbird

in my experience the demoscene in general is quite accepting when it comes to female (or LGBT or any kind of non-male/non-heterosexual) sceners

In your experience, as a male heterosexual? I'm glad you haven't experienced the amount of hatred and ridicule I've been met with, the people telling me that the only reason people vote for me is because I have tits, the batshit insane people who send me anonymous emails with manipulated pictures and crazed ramblings. And the flip side of the coin, having creepy stalkers make websites about me. Not any better. I wouldn't assume that the scene in general is any better than society in general because in my experience it is just as bad if not worse.

Quoting algorithm

I would add that its each to their own. Dont know what other people think, but i do things the way i want to without considering satisfying others. If that gets low votes because of this, then so be it. I dont care :-)

Exactly. I have no illusions of being able to stop anyone from making what they want. I'll still voice my opinion on their release if I've watched it, but I tend to avoid releases from certain people when it becomes clear to me that I'm in no way part of their "target audience".

Quoting Six

There's always that one guy - the one who puts on to be the militant feminist - and all the other guys aren't supposed to realize that he's simply hoping some woman will notice and bang him for it.

See Hollowman's response above.