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Ninja
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 411 |
Commercial games in CSDB
Is it just me wondering why all the commercial games are being added to CSDB? I wouldn't call "Firebird" a scene-group...
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Rough
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Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
to fulfill Puterman's assumption from above:
Did you finally decide on to wether include commercial games or not? |
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Twoflower
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 434 |
Oh my.
This is so stupid. I can't believe you even discuss this. I'm completely against even adding cracks to group releases since it would add upp a totally absurd amount of releases for a group with the age of Triad or Fairlight. I mean, we in Triad have alone released apx. 800+ spreaddisks with cracks since 1986! From now on, you will see no crack present in the Triad releaselist on CSDB. And the discussion of adding commercial releases to a scene database is even more absurd.
There are perfectly good examples of good databases handling games out there. Add them there, or on any decent scene FTP. Or make a list on your homepage. That's appreciated. But not here.
So, my conclusions are;
1) Shame on you who wants to spoil this database with information which isn't connected to the demo or crackingsscene - what people generally call The Scene. Shame.
2) If I ever stumble upon a commercial game, not in any way connected to the demoscene, I will delete it on sight if I have the possibility. Same goes with commercial game companies. Amen. This is so stupid. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
right on 2f.... this is just becoming more and more funny :o)
oh and manfred, he indeed told me that he had _never_ made or even remotely contributed to any scene work, be it demo or game or whatever. (i would like to hear those rumours from the ptv guys (who probably still ran around the christmas tree in diapers by the time they claim to remember mt productions from :=P) ... the descriptions of the demos would be most interisting, ppl could probably tell which guys *really* made them :=)). [btw the same is true for andreas escher, just in case... :=P]
oh btw, MT _did_ release one thing which you all know: Funpaint2. it was published in 64er magazine... and it was NOT published using the name "Manfred Trenz" (its hidden somewhere in memory though....also the initials "T.M." are somewhat..well :O)).
i am not sure if releases from 64er mag are "scene" though, afterall it has been commercial stuff.
And ofcourse, unless they drop their attempt of beeing a "real" company which sells games, protovision doesnt belong here either. (scene and commercialism just dont go together IMHO).
tsts
and thumbs up TDJ! opinion without compromise is what the scene needs these days. diplomacy is just another word for lying and therefor sux. SCREW THEM LAMAHS!!!
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Rough
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Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
I disagree on the topic "Protovision". Their entire membership and attitude is scene-wise, best example their Vision 2003 party and its invitation demo. So they are both, commercial and scene, which in fact is possible in 2003. |
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Commander
Account closed
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 106 |
Quote: Oh my.
This is so stupid. I can't believe you even discuss this. I'm completely against even adding cracks to group releases since it would add upp a totally absurd amount of releases for a group with the age of Triad or Fairlight. I mean, we in Triad have alone released apx. 800+ spreaddisks with cracks since 1986! From now on, you will see no crack present in the Triad releaselist on CSDB. And the discussion of adding commercial releases to a scene database is even more absurd.
There are perfectly good examples of good databases handling games out there. Add them there, or on any decent scene FTP. Or make a list on your homepage. That's appreciated. But not here.
So, my conclusions are;
1) Shame on you who wants to spoil this database with information which isn't connected to the demo or crackingsscene - what people generally call The Scene. Shame.
2) If I ever stumble upon a commercial game, not in any way connected to the demoscene, I will delete it on sight if I have the possibility. Same goes with commercial game companies. Amen. This is so stupid.
look at releaselist triad...
Devil's Gallery +4T
Heli-Jump +2T
Snare ++
i don't care about cracks in the database, they are also a part of the scene. There has never been told that this database was only demoscene-based. It was a scene database and the scene was more than only a demoscene.
The only thing I don't like in this database, is this discussion forum which also caused bad changes to this database.
have the maintainers of this database still a copy of the whole database (the system and the data) from a year back?
it would be nice to have the database from a year back, but then the discussion forum removed from it. this could be a second database with only concerning in adding data. Also the voting should be removed, this voting has already been misused by several guys/girls.
as the database goes now, i am afraid of too much bad influence. i already stopped now adding new data since the unneccessary critics started to be a linching and nothing more. i will take this database more serious when some people stop giving unneccessary critics and stop locking handle- and group-entries which aren't their responsibility. (example : Wow has been locked, but not by the present organisers/leaders who are also present at the database... real strange, but more of these kind of things happened in this database). if you lock something from someone else who is also present in the database, then add this someone else also as maintainer.
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Twoflower
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 434 |
Concerning "Heli Jump", "Devils Gallery" and "Snare.
I don't know which stupido added these entries (cracks), and I find it hard to hold myself responsible for them since anyone could add short of any info to anything. The locking of certain events/groups/persons is a nice feature I reckon, and since you probably don't have to do much else than drop a mail to the admins to give yourself the same rights - what's the big problem? And to rest your concerns - the three crack entries will be removed asap. And hey - keep on whining, boys! Any change to this place is a good change. |
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T.M.R
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Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 749 |
Emailing the present maintainer of a record normally works, Raven forgot to include me in the graphics credits for Half Baked so a quick nudge later and there i am. =-)
Commander: if you have so many issues with how Noname run their database, why not set your *own* up that's administered the way you want it to be...?
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cadaver
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1160 |
I don't believe in existence of "unnecessary" criticism. I'd rather fear the day when no-one will say anything.. IMO, through criticism and dialogue valuable understanding of how others think, can be gained, if not strictly thinking of as negative and possible personal attack (which the "releasedate" thread was IMO not) |
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Shake
Posts: 134 |
Yes, but talking too much is also possible.
Some discussions go on and on and on, without much new arguments. The discussion repeats, lasts too long, people get bored and then it's time to decide. Take the 2 mentioned before, the voting and the cracks. Make a decission! And that's something the maintainers have to do in the end. If they can't make one, ask the visitors in a poll.
Keeping it the way it is is also a decission, but speek out.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
so someone make a decision, take some hours and lock every damned entry in the database so the whining has an end :=P
seriously, IMHO the one and only problem is that every mumbo can go add himself to the database and then start adding bullshit at whill. maybe some good old application system, heaviliy inspired by the bbs days, could help to filter out those who know what they are doing and those who dont. (and i am not speaking about the cracks yes/no question, but about the amazing lot of various crap/wrong/guessed info added lately)
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