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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Tags (yet again)
It is still unbeknownst to me why tags weren't implemented yet, or why are some so stubbornly against it. This portal is almost completely based on IMDb, and tags are one of the most useful features on that site.
Just a few of the useful features it would bring:
- finding demos containing an effect, record, theme...
- finding musics with a specific style, instrument, musical technique...
- finding images with a certain motive, character, technique, color-sceme...
- finding a specific usage of a tool/utility
- finding a magazine with an article about XY
- etc. etc...
It wouldn't take more than an hour to implement: another textbox on the "add comments" page with the Tags label (separated with commas) -> parsing the field and popping it out on the profile-page (as links, so if I'd click on a tag, I'd be redirected to a search-results page with a list of all those products where the same or similar tag was present).
Of course it wouldn't work right away, populating would certainly take some time. Just as everything else on this site.
Any thoughts? And in case of another instant rejection, I'd definitely love to get a bit more reasonable answer than the usual "I don't think we need it. Oh, and look here's my middle finger too. thxbai"
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
yeah. so its a good thing that this isn't actually YOUR site Groepaz. Even though people could be forgiven for thinking it is.
remember when we asked for email notifications and PM previews?
I recall you said there was no point for THEM either.
Then Perff clocked the thread and said "what a good idea" and POOF! they appeared overnight.
so really guys, why are we arguing the toss with the organ grinders monkey? |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
I find it interesting groepaz always only mentions WHY it wont work.
I'd be interested to know if he personally thinks the concept of tags is a bad idea in general
or just that they wont work because us CSDb users are a bunch of retarded lazy idiots (except for his precious 1% ofc).
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Quoting StainlessI'd be interested to know if he personally thinks the concept of tags is a bad idea in general
Lemme help you by quoting him word by word: "I don't think it's useful". Ignorance is a bliss. |
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Celtic
Administrator
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 807 |
Quote: If that 1% are already doing a good job of updating the database just take the existing DB and convert it to tags, then they can continue to do what they're doing with tags instead. All you need is a system similar to C64pixels eg a/ for artist c/ coder m/ musician y/ year etc etc then you've got a shit load of pre-made, pre-approved tags that already make the db a hell of a lot easier to search.
Being able to type all that in in 1 box when submitting would also be a hell of a lot easier than the current submission backwards and forwards shenanigans.
New release t/NEW DEMO c/DANE m/Hubbard a/Jailbird etc etc
I want to see all demos by c/oswald m/hubbard y/1992
The majority of work is for whoever codes it to come up with a system that's internally very complete but makes it as easy as possible for the end user.
Hi! Yes, i am still for it, but the quote above to me is not a possitive but a negative. What i mean is the following:
New release t/NEW DEMO c/DANE m/Hubbard a/Jailbird
OK, who removes the tag new after six months. Why do the credits (which have been added through hard labour over the last 12 years) suddenly need to be in the tags.
I want to see all demos by c/oswald m/hubbard y/1992 >you can!, by simply using advanced search options.
Look 99% of the releases are 'tagged' by group, creators, with filetype, with credits, etc.etc. I think a tag system will be usefull for inputting Effect types, or subject matter. But the rest, no, I object.
A tag system will probably be faster then the way we add credits now (in my head it is), so i can see Groepaz' argument working about people just dumping anything in the tags to get it done qucikly. That is speaking from the point of view of Database intergrity, and to me, and probably to some others it is very important.
I also agree with Groepaz that some people who put in loads and loads of work (cba, ian, r242, violator, grenouille, wackee, fred, etc.etc.) in the past and in the future should have some words in this.
I still think a tag system is a nice thing to have, however the way it should be implemented, and how it should work in combination with out advanced search options is something that will need to be worked out.
Instead of all jumping on Groepaz because he is playing the 'bad-guy' really think about the system, how it should work, what should be in it, etc.etc. Like the things that Jailbird posted.
Nothing will be done without this all being thought through.
...and those were my pearls of wisdom :) |
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Cresh
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 354 |
If the whole idea of tagging files works fine on scenesites like for example http://artcity.bitfellas.org/ and http://c64pixels.com/main.php (whoever tags them) - why not try them in here.
Ok, I am also that bitch who comes here and demands stuff. Sorry. |
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JCB
Account closed
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 241 |
You've just misunderstood t/ ;) t/ = Title I just used NEW DEMO because I couldn't think of a demo name :P
The credits don't NEED to be in the tags, but to me it just means that the majority of the DB CAN be tags and is therefore more integrated.
c/oswald m/hubbard y/1992 + ifli plasma etc now where's the problem? If the data is there it shouldn't be separated. |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
@Celtic: credits shouldn't be added to the tags as that would be an obvious overhead, but they wouldn't make a difference after all (except few kilobytes of extra storage). Tags would be used to label release details and specifics which couldn't be specified by the already present pre-defined categories. |
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JCB
Account closed
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 241 |
I don't see why credits is an overhead if the current ones are converted to tags though? Why now have 2 systems? To me that seems redundant. Why is Multicolour a tag but not STE'86?
It sounds like the proposal is to go to the advanced search, go through working out all of the mess that is THEN add some tags to search for as well? The advanced search might work but it certainly isn't very user friendly or obvious.
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Celtic
Administrator
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 807 |
'Tags would be used to label release details and specifics which couldn't be specified by the already present pre-defined categories'
Perhaps a line which should be presented everytime someone adds tags to something.
@JCB: ok, my misunderstanding, but still my point was not mute. Database integrity.
Now, i would like to have imput on how this should work with searching, and the options we already have.
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Quote:It sounds like the proposal is to go to the advanced search, go through working out all of the mess that is THEN add some tags to search for as well? The advanced search might work but it certainly isn't very user friendly or obvious.
The advanced search isn't too hard to comprehend IMHO. And tags could be also added to the critera. So for example, you'd select "demos" made by "Oswald" before year "2000" with the tags "vector, record, tunnel" to get all the <2000 demos from Oswald with the specified tags. |
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