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Adam The Axe
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Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 6 |
The Scene as it was.
I was in The Scene, therefore, I know what went on in the C64 scene. I see TOP GROUPS listed over there on the side display and I see DD listed #2, okay, I can buy alittle of that, Robin was a good dude, but there was only 1 number UNO in all of the C64 scene... and as much as I hate to admit, it was ESI, ONLY. Far and away, this group did more for C64 than any group, ever. Fairlight and Red Sector were a close second but not even close to Eaglesoft. |
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d0c
Registered: Apr 2006
Posts: 186 |
so "Defender of the Crown" the Nostalgia version is the only proper cracked. that i didnt know... thanks now i know what version to play and pass on to others as the 100% version to get :) |
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Style
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 498 |
oh yeh, DOT was obvious. Even I noticed that back in the day, and as I said I care not for the cracking scene.
When I play games now I always check for a NOS/REM version first. True class. Makes some of the old 'cracks' look amateurish in comparison.
I rang Bacchus once many years ago, and even he admitted that he hated his crack of Turbo Outrun because he didnt have time to do the 2nd side properly. Lack of release pressure these days means people can spend the time and do it properly.
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Nightlord
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Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 131 |
Calling the boundaries of the scene to match only some activities/time-window you got involved with personally, is plain disrespectful and delusional. Of course you have every right to think that way but don't bang your head on the wall when you voice your views and people here don't agree.
Why can't people just accept there is a wide spectrum of talent in this scene spread around different activities, geographical locations and years. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
nice DOT story. now how much respect should I pay to the cracking scene doing stuff like that ? :) |
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 90 |
@Nightlord! Well said. It was exactly was I was trying to say.
@Fungus: Disagree with what? I was only defending myself when you right out of the blue accused me for being a lier and a psychopath that lies about my identity and you not even TRY to back it up with a bullshit story. Pure insane if you ask me. But Im glad you want to drop it! Saves me alot of trouble to prove you the obvious. Dont go there again if you dont want to make a complete fool out of yourself infront of everybody. Peace!
@All others: Its funny how everything changed gradiualy around 88-89. Up until then in PAL-land there was alot of cracking crews witch done some demos from time to time. Expect for the very early guys at cnet and some splendid exeptions as The Judges and Ian&Mic with others. Before 89 cracks was much more respected then demomaking. I personally just saw games as something to make great sendings and boost status as we supplied originals to Triad and Triangle at that time. Demos and the uberdemo coders like Kjer,Mastermind,Flamingo,ABS3001,Crossbow,Sodan,OmegaMan,HCL,Coko,White just to mention a few has always boost more respect than crackers and their games in my eyes. Not saying that crackers doesnt deserv respect, far from. Just saying that demos was more importend and funnier than the games. But that is highly my personal humble opinion. But I think I share this opinion with many others active in the PAL-scene. |
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Mermaid
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 338 |
Hello, I'm an old ex scener who just stumbled across this site and don't know anything about what happened the last 20 years and additionally, let's face it, what happened in Europe at all.
Now let me spend several posts whining about the charts on this site instead of trying to figure out what happened in the scene in the 20 years after I left, because only the first 5-6 years matter, we all know this. Demos, let's face it, are useless, you can't like, play them with your joystick, most of them don't even have a copy protection, and they are just what people did because they had nothing to crack. The only reason NTSC demos suck is because WE had better things to do, ie. crack games.
As for European software houses they didn't release games, to say that they did is just plain lies and evil revisionism. If they had released games, they most certainly wouldn't be worth cracking, only US companies released good games. Why you would want to play Giana Sisters when you could play Spelunker is beyond me. And that Barbarian game from Palace is just a ripoff of the vastly superior game Death Sword from Epyx.
Also, Compunet did not exist and they certainly did not do demos independently of the cracking scene. The cracking scene is the real scene, but only until the point where I stopped being a part of it, because after that it like died, man. Now allow me drop some names to show that I was leet back then and thus have a right to poop on your so called "scene".
The scene died in 1988. History ended in 1988. I WAS THERE MAN! OMFG! The Berlin wall is still there and Ronald Reagan is going to save your butts from communism! YOUR MOTHERS WERE HAMSTERS AND YOUR FATHERS SMELLED OF LLAMASOFT GAMES, BITCHES!
All this, of course, translates to one simple thing; I need a hug. |
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Fungus
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 680 |
Vanja : ROTFLMAO!!!
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 90 |
@Vanja: I can still hear the "phiioonnggggg" from the arrow hitting the bullseye. Some of the best answares ever... :-) |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: @Vanja: I can still hear the "phiioonnggggg" from the arrow hitting the bullseye. Some of the best answares ever... :-)
Oh, the answer rocks alright, but alas, I don't think it matters: people like Adam will never understand that the scene didn't die when they left. No matter how much evidence you have that it didn't.
Also, it kind of occurred to me that it's always somebody from the states who has this outlook on our scene. Dropping in, almost demanding respect for stuff he or his peers did way back when dinosaurs still roamed the earth, and then leaving again if it doesn't happen, we've seen it many times before.
I say: it's about time some European dude from the early scene comes by and does the same .. EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL GODDAMIT! |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3052 |
Quote: Oh, the answer rocks alright, but alas, I don't think it matters: people like Adam will never understand that the scene didn't die when they left. No matter how much evidence you have that it didn't.
Also, it kind of occurred to me that it's always somebody from the states who has this outlook on our scene. Dropping in, almost demanding respect for stuff he or his peers did way back when dinosaurs still roamed the earth, and then leaving again if it doesn't happen, we've seen it many times before.
I say: it's about time some European dude from the early scene comes by and does the same .. EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL GODDAMIT!
You forgot the past debates with e.g. Radar.
Vanja, excellent style and humour ;-) |
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