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Eyeth
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Emu-Fuxx0r
Hello, CSDb denizens-
I would like to bring up this subject, in a constructive fashion, however!
I recently found out that certain demo authors and groups are now using Krill's code to disable their demo offerings under c64 or 128 emulators.
I find this practive to be very shortsighted and in fact, I would vote very negatively on such behavior in CSDb or on any related votesheet.
Why go to all of this trouble in emulator detection and disabling technology. IMHO, the time *wasted* on such efforts are far better spent on NTSC fixing it so that we North American sceners can view your demo releases. (And on the real machines, I might add!) Or just add a NTSC-fixer to your demo crews and share full source code for a proper NTSC fix.
As of now, I am unable, still, to view certain demos due to no NTSC-fix and an emulator is out of the question as they are emufuxx0red! Talk about severely limiting your audience.
An c64 emulator is a brilliant piece of software engineering. The original c64 was truly inspired piece of software/hardware engineering. Are they not equal in deserving consideration and respect? The c64 audience uses both kinds, the emulation and the real thing and all of them share the common c64 computing experience.
Also, emulators are perfect for one thing; they can easily take screenshots of demo screens, even if there's interlacing effects and sprites multiplexed all over. I plan on writing newsletter articles covering the demo scene and try to bring more awareness to the North American scene regarding fine demo offerings and screenshots are invaluable.
I know that demo coders, graphicians, musicians, etc. all work together in creating inspired art on our Commodore 64's. Let's not restrict the audience any necessarily further by implementing emulator detection and shutdown. Allow any Commdore (real or emulated) user worldwide to share in the demo experience in 2002 and onwards. :)
Enjoy.
-Todd Elliott
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fenek
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Krill wrote:"This un-fuxx0r thing is possible but very hard to implement"
I wrote un-emu-fuxx0r v1, and it is $ad bytes long
$0b02 - sid d400, color d800
$0c58 - d01e with 07 in d015
$0d07 - d01e with fa in d015
$0e68 - dd00 (drive 8 on) m-w,m-e 0300
$0f20 - relocator, run first BASIC line
fenek/arise
fenekars@poczta.onet.pl
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T.M.R
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Quote: Krill wrote:"This un-fuxx0r thing is possible but very hard to implement"
I wrote un-emu-fuxx0r v1, and it is $ad bytes long
$0b02 - sid d400, color d800
$0c58 - d01e with 07 in d015
$0d07 - d01e with fa in d015
$0e68 - dd00 (drive 8 on) m-w,m-e 0300
$0f20 - relocator, run first BASIC line
fenek/arise
fenekars@poczta.onet.pl
That's not really what i meant by an un-fuxx0r, i meant a tool that would load a fuxx0r'd file, rip Krill's code off and re-save it. i wasn't entirely serious i hasten to add, for me to actually *write* a tool is rare and for said tool to have a user interface is unheard of! =-) |
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Richard
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 621 |
Quote: That's not really what i meant by an un-fuxx0r, i meant a tool that would load a fuxx0r'd file, rip Krill's code off and re-save it. i wasn't entirely serious i hasten to add, for me to actually *write* a tool is rare and for said tool to have a user interface is unheard of! =-)
.....and this is the scene fighting back. If anyone writes any more fuxx0ring utilities then the scene might build some unfuxx0ring utilities.
But it is activity on the C64 scene that counts ;) |
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T.M.R
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Quote: .....and this is the scene fighting back. If anyone writes any more fuxx0ring utilities then the scene might build some unfuxx0ring utilities.
But it is activity on the C64 scene that counts ;)
Isn't pronouncing yourself as the voice of the scene in that way a tad pretentious, the scene in general doesn't seem to care either way about the Fuxx0r and Krill himself is apparently in it as much for the challenge as anything else...?
Maybe we need an SCPU Fuxx0r too...? =-) |
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Richard
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 621 |
Quote: Krill said it was about the challenge and expect V3. Don't blame Krill, blame those who use it like HMMurdock and his Jeroen 'Red' Kimmel collection. VICE 1.8 can get around version 1 and 2 with some use of the VICE monitor and freeze/break points.
Some demos cannot be NTSC fixed for many reasons. Sometimes it's just easier to get PAL setup.
As for the Starion intro remake, VICE's $D016 bugs screw it up and make HCL seem like he can't code stand raster bars, which really are stable.
Fear not, because I've un-fuxx0red the 'Jeroen 'Red' Kimmel collection'. You can download it from http://www.redizajn.sk/tnd64/fuxx0rs_suck/index.html
WE WAR AGAINST FUXX0RS! Pointless, but cool! |
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Richard
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 621 |
Quote: Fear not, because I've un-fuxx0red the 'Jeroen 'Red' Kimmel collection'. You can download it from http://www.redizajn.sk/tnd64/fuxx0rs_suck/index.html
WE WAR AGAINST FUXX0RS! Pointless, but cool!
....Oh, forget what I have said about the J.Kimmel Collection being Unfuxx0red. Okay, so I've released unfuxx0red versions of this production on to FTPs, but I think this war against Fuxx0rs will have to stop. Nah, coz if more people war against Fuxx0ring, (As someone said to me) it would cause the whole scene to start this fuxx0ring business. Maybe we should forget all about it ;)
I'll continue writing productions on the C64/Emu, but no more of this stupid 'F.A.F' group sort of stuff ;) |
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fade
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Registered: Mar 2002
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Hrm, what is lame? emu fuxxoring, un-emu fuxxoring or starting a federation against emu fuxxoring. Yes, I see you online Richard_tnd and i'd like to let you know that YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY THE SADDEST SHITSTAIN ON THE MOUTH OF HUMANITY I HAVE EEEEEEEEVER SEEN. Come on bloke, you release a game and then find a huge ass bug. But wait, you can always stay around for version 1.6. Go code a pc game. You suck and everything related to you sucks. Especially this pansy ass "federation". Why have a federation against this when you really need a federation against having your anal passage violated by rabid forest animals.
Download Porn, Play Quake 2 online.. anything that requires you acting less socially retarded than this. Give up. Use the pc for one reason regarding the 64, transferring files across[i'll include 1.a: reading all these ugly looking fucking magazines out there]
Please just quit with the whinging, so many people are sick of your tripe they are just about ready to turn the 100 monkeys you have "un-emufuxxoring" releases against you, leaving you with no friends, no sexual partners and no-one to say "Metal Deluxe is such a super ware dude"
I don't care about emufuxxoring..
fade/Onslaught..
The book of Austin 3:16 says i just whooped your ass.. |
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Richard
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 621 |
Quote: Hrm, what is lame? emu fuxxoring, un-emu fuxxoring or starting a federation against emu fuxxoring. Yes, I see you online Richard_tnd and i'd like to let you know that YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY THE SADDEST SHITSTAIN ON THE MOUTH OF HUMANITY I HAVE EEEEEEEEVER SEEN. Come on bloke, you release a game and then find a huge ass bug. But wait, you can always stay around for version 1.6. Go code a pc game. You suck and everything related to you sucks. Especially this pansy ass "federation". Why have a federation against this when you really need a federation against having your anal passage violated by rabid forest animals.
Download Porn, Play Quake 2 online.. anything that requires you acting less socially retarded than this. Give up. Use the pc for one reason regarding the 64, transferring files across[i'll include 1.a: reading all these ugly looking fucking magazines out there]
Please just quit with the whinging, so many people are sick of your tripe they are just about ready to turn the 100 monkeys you have "un-emufuxxoring" releases against you, leaving you with no friends, no sexual partners and no-one to say "Metal Deluxe is such a super ware dude"
I don't care about emufuxxoring..
fade/Onslaught..
The book of Austin 3:16 says i just whooped your ass..
Okey dokey! ;) |
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Richard
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 621 |
Quote: Okey dokey! ;)
Fade: I will continue my support for the C64 scene with my games, etc.
PC games? No thanx don't like 'em.
As for those nasty comments. Not appreciated, but I wont send any nasty comments. |
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fade
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Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 290 |
why quote the whole thing when it was the message above yours, stooge!. |
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