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madcrow
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Registered: Oct 2003
Posts: 39 |
Emulator checks are evil
Seriously. I'm stuck in NTSC-land, so all this cool PAL stuff you Euros code is inaccessible to me on real hardware. When you add emulator checks/blocks, you keep "casual" fans who enjoy seeing C64 demos, but don't care to import a PAL '64 and monitor and associated high-end transformers to turn 110V/60Hz into 220V/50Hz from ever seeing cool stuff. So PLEASE ignore the advice in the emulator bugs document and keep on making no-check demos.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
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its intent was merely to annoy and discriminate against those lacking real PAL C64 hardware.
sorry to say so, but no. noone gives a damn about ntsc, demos are usually made for pal. and emufuxxor is there to annoy those using emulators. |
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assiduous
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Registered: Jun 2007
Posts: 343 |
well i cant recall any serious production protected with emufuxxor. i only know 2 really,Jeroen Kimmel Collection by Tropyx and Logosland2 by Draco. the community must have been really pissed off to miss out on these top quality productions when they came out,lol.
Demus interruptus and Krestage3 required that the particular VIC-II features necessary for the effects in these demos to look correctly are emulated. i guess that these demos wouldnt run on an NTSC machine anyway |
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fade
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Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 290 |
will ntsc for cards & bbs kthxbi :) |
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Graham
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Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 990 |
Emu-detections only work on emulators which still lack emulation quality. |
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assiduous
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Posts: 343 |
Quote: Emu-detections only work on emulators which still lack emulation quality.
speaking of the detection routines available now-very true. but if someone with solid coding skills was determined enough to devise a long lasting and effective way of detecting an emulator he would succeed. afew bizzare VIC-II effects i`ve seen arent emulated in any emulator in the world including Hoxs64. Rubi of Vice Team says that even the CPU6510 emulation is prone to failing on some test suites although I havent found any affected software yet so i cant confirm it. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
what, there are still new VIC effects? bring them on. |
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madcrow
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Registered: Oct 2003
Posts: 39 |
Quote: Quote:
its intent was merely to annoy and discriminate against those lacking real PAL C64 hardware.
sorry to say so, but no. noone gives a damn about ntsc, demos are usually made for pal. and emufuxxor is there to annoy those using emulators.
I know most demos only work on PAL. Thus, my comment/assumption that emulators are the only way for people in the NTSC part of the world to watch PAL demos without shelling out huge ammounts of money for hardware. (High-end transformers, shipping of equipment from Europe, etc)
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WVL
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 899 |
Quote: what, there are still new VIC effects? bring them on.
Yes, there are some, but they're not really useful to make anything nice. At least, nothing that I could think of anyway :)
I could maybe add a small emulator test to the next demo based on one of those effects :) |
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JackAsser
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 2014 |
I could release my EMU-checked based on the analog properties in the serial cable between the disk drive and the c64. It's really simple and would be quite hard to emulate because it would require the emulators to correctly emulate pull up and pull down time when driving the cables.
However it's just a curiosity and wouldn't lead to better emulation imo, just slower emulation so what the fuck...
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yago
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 333 |
The current emuchecks only check for bugs in the emu.
It would be much nicer, if the emulator tells "voluntary" about his settings, like framerate,sounddelay etc pp
The current emudetection-scheme which doesnt rely on bugs is very bad, because its in one of the io-areas, has way too few infos and is switched off by default on all emus.
If e.g. the hoxs+vice folks could come up with a new standard for that, these evil emulator checks would be much less evil.
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