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2002-05-26 16:29
Optic
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Best music composer/editor

I've decided after all these years to start making some sidmusic, so the question is:

What do you consider to be the best composing/editing program for making sum choons at the moment?
 
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2004-03-29 17:44
Soren

Registered: Dec 2001
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Well, the most important things to run in multispeed is the wave+frequency table(s). At some points you can do interesting stuff by running filter+pulse in multispeed too though. Doing vibrato in multispeed might to most people sound like a really bad idea, but trust me, you can use that for very nice details too. :-)
Still I think it is great that people do new players and/or improve old players.
And to answer the question about what the best c64 music-editor is, I can only say following: It's individual from person to person what makes a nice editor. But when people ask me I recommend the "JCH" system and "Sid Duzz It".
Some people use players with really simple pulse- and filter-programs, but if you want to do great sounds you need a more advanced system for that. Forexample by doing more advanced pulseprograms you can add more feeling to a pulse-lead and so. Also a player should have more hardrestart settings.. or atleast just an on/off option for that. By not using hardrestart on leads you can also get a more expressive sound.

Gotta go now,
Keep the SID alive - It still has lots of possibilities :-)
2004-08-19 22:04
St0fF

Registered: Oct 2002
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Jeff: just to mention the tricks that i've never seen to have been used: wahwah, noise-vibrato - effects utilizing the voice3-output in $d41b and $d41c
2004-08-19 22:09
Hein

Registered: Apr 2004
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I tried wah wah for a sort of Bruce Lee kinda tune, since I had not heard that before aswell. It's not too difficult. Noise vibrato sounds interesting.
2004-08-19 23:54
SIDWAVE
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Choose a player that is made or updated within the last 4 years, and learn to use it.

I'm a fan of SDI myself, because it's easy to use and can do multispeed and has tracker.

I used JCH too, but i was blindfolded when doing sounds, and the packers i tried made bugs in my tunes.

If you can get what you want from one tool, use it! the more you use an editor, the better you get to tweak the features of it.

I think, the best players, must be JCH, Jeff, SDI, DMC.

Tinnitus has made some astonishing tunes, and the Asterion Tracker is a great piece of work.

But I think JCH/SDI is easier and can do the same.

Nomatter what, you will try something else when you hit a 'wall' in the editor you use.

Try all, and find your own preference.

Or just try and use soundmonitor, like I used to.. :-)

You can easily make something, but sound-capabilities are low.

2004-10-02 21:49
korshun
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yep, and soundmon routines used to need minimal rastertime
2004-10-02 23:59
Graham
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and sound monitor songs always sound jerky because there's a lot of jitter in the sid register writes (due to the huge rastertime the tunes take).
2004-10-03 09:07
Soren

Registered: Dec 2001
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Stoff: Actually you don't need too many fancy things... just use the regular things in special ways. :-)

A simple example of a quite fast player, nothing special, but has a bit of more "intelligent" filter+resonance control.

http://www.6581.dk/camelot/x-large5.d64

made 2 versions as I wanted to try to cut down the rastertime a bit more.
2004-10-04 07:02
cadaver

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1160
Any idea when that link is going up? :)

Argh, the S/M torture of being told of a fast musicroutine but being unable to check the code :(

EDIT: Aha, checking now..
2006-01-05 15:47
THE TEA DRINKER

Registered: Jul 2005
Posts: 39
hi Optic.

There is many tracker/editors for C64, more you try is proberly best to find what you preffered. There is proberly advanges and disadvanges in all of them in someway.
Someone will say it's weak because of there is limited with commands/features use another one and others because they use alot of rastertime used another, in general I think more you try is better, but if you want some advice.

I would go after some of these: JCH, Future Composer, Soundmonitor or simular like Rockmonitor/Drummaker/Noisetracker, Soundtracker 64/Cybertracker it's just a few names Odintracker maybe try different versions of these, good luck have fun hope your find your tool to create music, and maybe you should also think of why create music on C64 or SID and what should it be used for.
But I hope to hear some tunes from you ;)
2006-01-06 16:23
SIDWAVE
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Quote: I've decided after all these years to start making some sidmusic, so the question is:

What do you consider to be the best composing/editing program for making sum choons at the moment?


Optic, so have you found an editor you like, and started to make music ?
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