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Merman
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 140 |
Transparent votes?
There's been a lot of "discussion" in the one-liner box about whether voting should be transparent, i.e. you can see who voted (and their vote's value).
I feel that things should stay as they are, just the number of votes and "weighted" vote shown for each entry. That would save all the arguments "why did you vote low for me?" or "he/she is a lamer, they voted low for me/my release"
What do others think? |
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iopop
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 317 |
Why not remove all info on what groups the sceners have been in and replace that with what they vote for instead? Add a voter of the month chart?
Seriously, maybe its just me, but I thought the main idea of this site was get an information database, not a pouet copy? |
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Derision
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 69 |
Quote: Why not remove all info on what groups the sceners have been in and replace that with what they vote for instead? Add a voter of the month chart?
Seriously, maybe its just me, but I thought the main idea of this site was get an information database, not a pouet copy?
CSDb has the capacity to be a lot more than a simple database... and it's already gone beyond the definition of a simple information storage site by having the votes and news posts and whatnot.
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Slator
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 274 |
The system like it is now is a big pile of shit. Until there is no real solution for the stuff we are talking about for some time now.
It is a good thing to see who actually is man/woman enough to show the handle while voting, it still doesnt prevent the shitheads doing crap.
Expose the whole system or turn it off. Those shitty influence of lamers downvoting for fun has to be wiped out.
Users who are not connected to the scene (e.g. fakehandles) should be excluded from voting.
turn it off or do it real
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Perff
Administrator
Posts: 1679 |
hmm..
Well. I now made a function that tries to identify fake-votes and remove them when calculating the rating.
Therefor all the charts have now changed a bit and most of the ratings have grown.
Check it out and see if it looks ok.
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Mermaid
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 338 |
Slator wrote: "Expose the whole system or turn it off. Those shitty influence of lamers downvoting for fun has to be wiped out."
I agree with Slator..Transparency or no voting at all. |
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Twoflower
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 434 |
Yep,
I believe in transparency. All the way. I agree with Mermaid and Slator and I can't see no meaning with transparent voting. And second - I see this majorly as an information database and not something which will be a bad Pouet-clone. Let's stick to facts and open opinions. |
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Hurrican
Registered: Oct 2003
Posts: 10 |
Some statistical suggestion to solve the problem of downvotes:
Just don't count the extremest 10% of all votes when creating the weighed average.
Example...
Demo A got the following votes:
10: 2x
9: 1x
8: 12x
7: 30x
6: 16x
5: 8x
4: 5x
3: 2x
2: 0x
1: 4x
That's 80 votes in total. Weighed average would be 501/80=6,26.
If you eleminate the 10% extremest votes (that means the 5% best and the 5% worst), you get a new list of (72) votes:
10: 0x
9: 0x
8: 11x
7: 30x
6: 16x
5: 8x
4: 5x
3: 2x
2: 0x
1: 0x
Weighed average now is 460/72=6,39.
Voila, downvoting eliminated.
OK, the figures could have been more extreme, but you get the point... ;-)
CU,
Hurrican |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
Other solution than just simple non-anonymous voting is just a hack. It's like fighting with spam, it won't help you to get rid of scam.
It won't help to ged rid of fake accounts.
Transaparency and non-anonymity is the best regulation of human behaviour.
I'm for transparency. Anyone can erase their votes if they don't feel like showing their opinion. |
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Hurrican
Registered: Oct 2003
Posts: 10 |
I disagree. What's your aim?
If you want to stop downvoting having influence on the rankings, then think about my approach.
If you want to stop people using fake-accounts, then try implementing some kind of verification (check E-Mail, log IP's and delete account that regulary log in using the same IP, etc.).
If you just want to know who voted what, then say so. If you don't, then a simple no is not the appropriate answer for a complex question.
Taking away anonymity might stop unwanted behaviour. But it may also end up stopping WANTED behaviour, too (e.g. people who don't show their name when voting now, will probably stop voting once and for all). Are you willing to take that risk?
I say: Before you do that, try other approches, that don't have negative side-effects. If they don't work, one can still try the hard way. |
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Slator
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 274 |
Quote: I disagree. What's your aim?
If you want to stop downvoting having influence on the rankings, then think about my approach.
If you want to stop people using fake-accounts, then try implementing some kind of verification (check E-Mail, log IP's and delete account that regulary log in using the same IP, etc.).
If you just want to know who voted what, then say so. If you don't, then a simple no is not the appropriate answer for a complex question.
Taking away anonymity might stop unwanted behaviour. But it may also end up stopping WANTED behaviour, too (e.g. people who don't show their name when voting now, will probably stop voting once and for all). Are you willing to take that risk?
I say: Before you do that, try other approches, that don't have negative side-effects. If they don't work, one can still try the hard way.
actually I dont fucking care if someone doesn't vote because he has to show his name. If you are not man/woman enough to stay to what you think about a release then simply don't vote at all. all this mathcrap just complicates the whole shit. there will always be shitheads abusing the system at max. I am really ashamed to see top groups treated like shit because some noobs downvote them just to see their super-elite-combo in front. get rid of anonymous or get rid of voting... FULLSTOP |
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