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Eyeth
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 98 |
Emu-Fuxx0r
Hello, CSDb denizens-
I would like to bring up this subject, in a constructive fashion, however!
I recently found out that certain demo authors and groups are now using Krill's code to disable their demo offerings under c64 or 128 emulators.
I find this practive to be very shortsighted and in fact, I would vote very negatively on such behavior in CSDb or on any related votesheet.
Why go to all of this trouble in emulator detection and disabling technology. IMHO, the time *wasted* on such efforts are far better spent on NTSC fixing it so that we North American sceners can view your demo releases. (And on the real machines, I might add!) Or just add a NTSC-fixer to your demo crews and share full source code for a proper NTSC fix.
As of now, I am unable, still, to view certain demos due to no NTSC-fix and an emulator is out of the question as they are emufuxx0red! Talk about severely limiting your audience.
An c64 emulator is a brilliant piece of software engineering. The original c64 was truly inspired piece of software/hardware engineering. Are they not equal in deserving consideration and respect? The c64 audience uses both kinds, the emulation and the real thing and all of them share the common c64 computing experience.
Also, emulators are perfect for one thing; they can easily take screenshots of demo screens, even if there's interlacing effects and sprites multiplexed all over. I plan on writing newsletter articles covering the demo scene and try to bring more awareness to the North American scene regarding fine demo offerings and screenshots are invaluable.
I know that demo coders, graphicians, musicians, etc. all work together in creating inspired art on our Commodore 64's. Let's not restrict the audience any necessarily further by implementing emulator detection and shutdown. Allow any Commdore (real or emulated) user worldwide to share in the demo experience in 2002 and onwards. :)
Enjoy.
-Todd Elliott
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Richard
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 621 |
Quote: why quote the whole thing when it was the message above yours, stooge!.
Oops ;) |
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Vengeance
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Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 22 |
I really dont care about this discussion. I just say, read VANDALISM NEWS,Weather its on emu on real 64 or whatever. Just read it and throw your support behind the scene and the mag ;)
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hollowman
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 474 |
vengeance, please release a new issue of vandalism news as soon as possible. I read both scene world and arachnaphobia last week and i feel terrible. So please give me back my thirst for diskmags :)
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2969 |
Hollowman: Very true. The promised article on Emu-Fuxx0r in Scene World was also quite disappointing already on the journalistic aspect.
Fenek: Hmm. Send me that tool.
T.M.R: True. My motiviation is not this "c64 pride" thingy. But not only the mere challenge too.
Richard: -
Well... Cat and mouse. Meanwhile, I'll sit back and light a nice joint. Aaaah. |
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Richard
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 621 |
Quote: Hollowman: Very true. The promised article on Emu-Fuxx0r in Scene World was also quite disappointing already on the journalistic aspect.
Fenek: Hmm. Send me that tool.
T.M.R: True. My motiviation is not this "c64 pride" thingy. But not only the mere challenge too.
Richard: -
Well... Cat and mouse. Meanwhile, I'll sit back and light a nice joint. Aaaah.
I shall now back down.... |
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Richard
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 621 |
Krill: Sorry for all this silly grief I caused regarding the silly fuxx0ring thing. Things seemed to have went out of hand.
Also, (and to the rest of the scene) please don't publish any comments, slagging me off, regarding my activities, as:
1. The scene wont be interested
2. It's lame.
Rest of the Scene: Keep up the good work on the C64, and we will continue support of the scene. No matter what ;) and most important of them all ..... No Slagging off ;)
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Rough
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Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
Even for 2002 standard both Arachnophobia and Scene World are terribly lame magazines. (and anyone related to them: please don't whine around for your releases being rated bad) |
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Six
Registered: Apr 2002
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Ahh well, I guess if one isn't bright enough to get around the fuxxoring, or devoted enough to get a real machine to run something on, then they deserve to be SOL. It's just so much more convenient not to have to deal with silliness like that, tho. I really fail to understand the mentality behind anyone who would use such a thing. It restricts your audience. I'm completely about the opposite. I want anything I release to function equally on PAL OR NTSC hardware, and hopefully run on VICE as well. I'm all about expanding the scene, and it would seem to me that using something which restricts access to a release does quite the opposite, and can only discourage people.
HOWEVER, I can certainly appreciate why Krill would take the time to write such a thing, as it's always enjoyable to be able to do something that people don't think can be done.
In the long run, I can only hope that the existance of such things as emufuxxor will do minimal damage to the scene, and result in much-improved, if not perfect, emulators. |
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Vengeance
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Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 22 |
Hollowman... Well you dont have to long to wait for Vandalism we are just waiting on some text at the moment from ed and joe. Also I guess we are waiting on an intro by Krill.
Gotta agree about Sceneworld&Arachnophobia, Its good to have these magazines come out for extra releases but the quality its a little ordinary.
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T.M.R
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Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 749 |
Quote: Krill: Sorry for all this silly grief I caused regarding the silly fuxx0ring thing. Things seemed to have went out of hand.
Also, (and to the rest of the scene) please don't publish any comments, slagging me off, regarding my activities, as:
1. The scene wont be interested
2. It's lame.
Rest of the Scene: Keep up the good work on the C64, and we will continue support of the scene. No matter what ;) and most important of them all ..... No Slagging off ;)
Once again you're speaking for the scene in general to declare it's lack of interest without understanding the scene and without knowing enough about it's history to make that call.
The scene as a whole has always *loved* to watch people slagging each other off, check all the old "Federations Against This, That and The Other" and the anti-demos.
The scene is, in part, *built* around slagging off - that's why the whole "one scene united" thing never really gets off the ground...
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