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Eyeth
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Milestone Demo?
Hello, CSDb denizens:
I'm writing what I hope to be a series of articles covering the demo scene for a U.S. Commodore oriented newsletter covering the 8-bit scene.
I'm planning on writing an article on what would be considered a 'milestone' demo. A demo that was so technically brilliant and elegant and revitalized the demo industry.
My current nomination is 'Dutch Breeze' by Blackmail. Before this demo, the demo scene consisted of scrollytexts, some math, some DYCP's, sprite trickery in the borders, VSP's and FLD's.
After this demo burst on the scene, it paved the way for truly innovative demos like Krestology, where rich and colorful graphics now grace the screens.
Your thoughts?
-Todd Elliott
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: Hello.
Not really. Not only is it negative, I feel it just isn't constructive and 'newsworthy'. However, I do know of a couple of demos that were widespread and vastly overrated. The TRAP demo, a.k.a. 'Gladiator' demo is one such example. Fruit of the Doom demo is an another glaring example and is the leading (downloads) demo at C64.CH.
Enjoy.
-Todd Elliott
The TRAP demo is a true classic. |
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Eyeth
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Hello.
Thanks to Perff and the NoName crew, I have set up a milestone voting chart. It's at:
http://noname.c64.org/csdb/milestonedemo
Any questions, comments, etc., please post here or send me a private message.
Please participate in the voting. Let's try to get an overall consensus as to what truly is a milestone demo for the C64 demo scene.
Enjoy!
-Todd Elliott |
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Oxidy
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Is that really all milestone demo contributions you could come up with?? 10 demos, of which many are from the mid-nineties, out of thousands of released demos. Well, ok. |
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Puterman
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And no Panoramic demo. Oh well. |
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CreaMD
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Including Mathematica, Krestology and Oneder into the voting chart is quite strange.
As far as Milestone demo of all times is concerned I don't think it can be seriously found this way. Demos can be technical milestones (many), other are design milestones (many), art milestones (A quoi ca sert? ;), personal milestones, musical milestones, emotional milestones, party compo milestones.. whatever milestones. I really don't think having for example Think Twice as milestone would be satisfying. If we really want to find milestones it should be set year by year, maybe even month by month with complete reasons given for each selected demo. Picking up one demo out from historical contexts and putting it on piedestal? Some of us will have to explain a lot of things to their children... ;-)
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Dwangi
Registered: Dec 2001
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Maybe would be better with no selection, you could vote on which demo you want.
btw will those votes be transparant? :) |
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hollowman
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 474 |
i'd give my vote for a qui ca sert? since it's
a demo that could be interesting to a person
who hasnt spent most of his life in this
little narrowminded world called demoscene,
being indoctrinated with what the limitations
of c64 are, and what a cool demo is supposed
to look like. i believe it has qualities that
could be appreciated outside this ghetto,
and therefor its a milestone
and the lack of panoramic demos doesnt make this
any better.
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Shake
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compiling a list of milestone demos with their respective milestone, that would be far more interesting for c64 history. |
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Oxidy
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If we REALLY need to vote for THE ONE AND ONLY milestone demo, then go with Dwangi's suggestion. Let everyone vote for what they think is milestones, preferably with a comment. Then it's just up to Eyeth to compile the results.
But, better still, go with Shake's suggestion.
How can you measure design milestones vs code milestones and say one is more important than the other. You can't, therefor the whole concept of finding THE milestone demo is quite stupid. Compile a list, and leave it at that.
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Eyeth
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Hello.
This is the kind of flak I was expecting and it is welcomed. :) I know I will never be able to compile a list that will include noteworthy releases and geninue milestones. I can only try to pick ten demos to make a nice rounded list and can only hope for the best.
Maybe, in my hubris, in finally awarding a milestone demo winner out of this voting chart, there will be the lively discussion (flamefest, even) that follows when the results are announced. I can live with that.
Just remember that all I want to do is to write an article about one demo that is a true milestone and then write about other noteworthy releases. This voting chart will help me a lot, and lend some sense of validation and credibility.
Enjoy.
-Todd Elliott |
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