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The Shadow
Registered: Oct 2007
Posts: 304 |
Repeal Anonymous Voting
Anonymous voting allows cowards to abuse the voting system. People downvote like sneaky little bastards. If you are voting for a person, group or release and you feel that your particular vote is how you honestly feel then there is no reason to conceal your vote. Repealing anonymous voting would weed out a large portion of the downvoters. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3050 |
Martin, we can do something about that but in the process, we will lose something.
By making only non anonymous votes counted for some of us, not everyone will get fairer rank. Not all unfair downvoters are anonymous.
And even when I love the idea of having just "like". I found that evil, because it removes simple disagreement from the equation. For example if soemone don't agree with having Desert Dream (139 votes) in top 10 (place 9, One-Der has just 93 votes), because you consider it unfair to be above the original C64 productions, by not pressing like you can't express such disagreement. It brings the "necessity" to handle the disagreement that is reasoned and communicated openly. Not everyone want's to argue about such things though and also it won't beat the popularity vote. And btw. I love the demo and I don't have anything against it being 10, it was just example of how some other people can view things.
By this way you also lose the big part of feedback on less popular things. The ranks will be more influenced by popularity than actual evaluation of quality by voters. Of course not always the judgement of quality is fair, but at least there is some chance for exposure for releases or sceners that are voted 10 for 5 times and then downvoted by someone who thinks it doesn't deserve such a high mark.
In past I tried to fight against unfair voting. Better said, the voting I considered unfair from my point of view. But over those 9-10 years I realised that this society is too diversified and that I can't prevent myself from being biased. If I was author/owner of this system I wouldn't mind cleaning downvotes anywhere I considered it fair, even on my account, because my system, my rules, but here I'm just a guest and a part of it, I try to live with it and ignore the ocassional disenchanting feelings. Being completely ignored is probably much worse than having someone downvoting you because he hates you. ;-)
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Jon
Account closed
Registered: Apr 2005
Posts: 247 |
Perhaps a simpler solution might be to allow the user / submitter to enable or disable voting for an entry or "scene role"?
That way the submitter wields more control over their own entries and can decide whether public scrutiny is welcome or not. The current voting system can stay in place, more power is given to the user and the bi-monthly threads complaining about the voting system will disappear.
Just a thought.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11359 |
if you dont want to know - just dont look at the result? |
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Jon
Account closed
Registered: Apr 2005
Posts: 247 |
Quote: if you dont want to know - just dont look at the result?
You could have saved us all 60+ posts of discussion had you said that straight away.
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
Quote: Quote:Groepaz: Indeed! 9.04 is quite nice... so a new category, an "up-voter" :P
and thats quite an important detail - just as much it is everones right to "up vote" whoever, it is everyones right to "down vote". if anything, not only getting rid of the downvoters, but also getting rid of the upvoters is equally important. so how you are going to fix that? =)
I am wanting transparency in the votes. My votes are not hidden. Just as are my comments in the disk mags over the years. The rants in scrollers in cracks and many other things. What I dislike about CSDb is that there is anonymous voting. There needs to be accountability. Back up your vote or don't vote! It is as simple as that (I am sure I have stressed this and we are now just covering old ground again).
There is several good ideas I have seen in this thread, but there is no talk of progress from the moderators or CSDb owner on when/if/how they will be implemented.
# 'Like' system.
# 'Filter' system. (disable anonymous etc)
etc.
These ideas are acceptable and certainly an improvement on the current voting system.
Let's see less talk and more action (like the 'Email Notification' that was implemented lately, thumbs up!). |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3050 |
In internal forum Perff accepted the idea of having the filter system. He didn't say when he makes the changes, though. |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
Quote: In internal forum Perff accepted the idea of having the filter system. He didn't say when he makes the changes, though.
Thanks! Nice to know it is on the "to do" list.
Comparing the filter on/off anonymous system to the Like system. I favour the Like system further. |
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Conrad
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 847 |
I talking drunk here... but... from my experience you simply watch the "Users Online" at the exact time when you get a vote... then you know who that "anonymous" guy actually is. I've learnt that over time. So yeah, I know who some of the anonymous guys are when they voted my stuff, but that doesn't necessarily mean I disagree with their vote value, because at the end of the day... none of us have the same views on stuff. Reading through all this thread is just blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblah... people like and dislike different things..... GET USED TO IT! |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3050 |
*rolleyes* ;-) |
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FATFrost
Account closed
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 211 |
Hmmm, voting is really for someone trying to win something.. Is csdb a huge demo competition everyone is trying to win? I think we should Scrap voting as csdb is just a database of c64 scene releases isn't it? And voting is just there to say how much you like something.. Which can also be proved ny the amount of downloads.? Anyway.... ;) |
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