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2011-11-16 00:04

wacek

Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 526

Subtypes for tools?

Was this suggested before? I cannot believe it was not :)

Please, oh pretty please, let's have a subtype for 'C64 Tool' - we have mode for the gfx, why can't we have something for this one?? It's so logical I think... At the very least to have 'Gfx tool', 'Sound tool', 'Disk tool', 'Packer' etc.

It such a pain in the ass to look for tools here when you're developing a release or want to do something very specific. And you're convinced there is already a tool to do it, but most querries return squat. My example: I was looking for something for automatic transfer from turbo-tapes to disk, and no querry returned A.T.T.A.C V1.0 - I spotted it in the comments of some other tool, whereas A.T.T.A.C V1.0 was the only one which met all my requirements. Same for gfx-to-char converters, for example ;)

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2011-11-16 20:37

wacek

Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 526

We need to start somewhere, so here is a list that comes to my mind. Most of them are pretty clear (I think), for others I gave some examples to clarify:

Animation tool	
Assembler	
BBS Tool	
Cartridge			(cartridge images)
Characterset editor	
Copier	
Copy protector			(protectors, coders)
Data base			(data bases, catalogue tools)
Demo maker	
Diagnostic tool			(testers)
Disk loader/saver		(turboloaders, loadersystems)
Disk tool			(disk editors, dir editors, formatters)
File manager	
Game development tool		(map editors, seuck)
Graphics converter	
Graphics editor			(bitmap editors)
Graphics viewer	
Intro maker	
Magazine editor	
Monitor	
Music editor	
Music player	
Music utility			(rippers, relocators)
Noter				(notemakers, writers)
Operating system		(GEOS)
Other	
Packer				(charpackers, crunchers, zippers)
Packing system	
Programming language compiler	
Programming language interpreter	
Spreadsheet	
Sprite tool	
Tape loader/saver		(turboloaders)
Tape tool			(tape cataloguing software, head adjusters)
Text editor	
Virus tool	
Vote counter

Make your proposals.

2011-11-18 21:28

wacek

Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 526

Don't let this die :)
Is it implemented yet? :)

2011-11-18 22:29

Frantic

Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1661

I also think this is a very good idea. I would indeed like to be able to browse tools in a more structured way.

2011-11-18 22:51

Skate

Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 506

I support this as well. But sometimes too many subcategories can be a little unhandy. So, I think we can reduce the number by moving some unused tool categories to other and merge some of the rest.

Virus tool -> Other
Programming language compiler & Programming language interpreter -> Programming language tools
Packing system -> Packer
File manager -> Disk tool

etc. It's just an idea. Otherwise, we could add new categories like "3d tools" etc. but i think they will be just fine in "Other" category.

2011-11-18 23:10

Count Zero

Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 2012

+1 for the idea as well, but the categories should be kept at a minimum as well. ftp://ftp.scs-trc.net/pub/c64/Tools/ is coming close to what I'd also like to see. Putting on categories for virus tools, sinus editors, vote counters and spreadsheet would be overkill IMHO.

2011-11-19 00:04

wacek

Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 526

Ok, based on those suggestions, I give you v2 :)

Animation tool	
Assembler		(assemblers, monitors)
BBS Tool	
Cartridge		(cartridge images, cartridge tools)
Characterset tool	(characterset editors, converters)
Copy tool		(protectors, coders, copiers)
Data base		(data bases, catalogue tools)
Demo maker		(intro makers, demo makers)
Diagnostic tool		(testers)
Disk loader/saver	(turboloaders, loadersystems)
Disk tool		(disk editors, dir editors, formatters)
Game development tool	(map editors, seuck)
Graphics converter	
Graphics editor		(bitmap editors)
Graphics viewer	
Modem tool	
Music editor	
Music utility		(rippers, relocators, players)
Noter			(notemakers, writers, docs makers)
Operating system	(GEOS)
Other	
Packer			(charpackers, crunchers, zippers, archivers, packing systems)
Programming language	(interpreters, compilers)
Spreadsheet	
Sprite tool	
Tape loader/saver	(turboloaders)
Tape tool		(tape cataloguing software, head adjusters)
Text editor		(text editors, magazine editors)
Vote counter

2011-11-19 01:00

Skate

Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 506

much better wackee. thanks for the idea. i hope this will be implemented soon.

2011-11-19 08:52

chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11523

i am with c0 there .... make that list half as big at best. there are already more than enough pointless release categories =P

2011-11-19 11:01

Moloch

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2972

Nice list, but there are way too many entries with "tool" in the category name. For instance, Modem tool/BBS tool simply isn't acceptable. BBS Software and Terminal Software is more fitting but still feels goofy because of the "Software" part.

I think combining related categories would be a better fit. For instance, simply calling one for all BBS related software as "C64 Tool - BBS/Modem" is more fitting.

Same can be done with half of the list really.

2011-11-19 20:21

wacek

Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 526

You guys are soooo demanding ;)
Fine, I changed the approach and the list is now more "process" oriented. But on the other hand, let us not lose the point of it (improvement towards end users) and that is why I object towards reducing it dramatically, because at some point the added value of having only few subcategories will be none because they will become so generic that searches will again return too many entries. (That is why I for example stick with "Disk I/O" and "Disk utility" instead of simple "Disk" category).

Animation	
BBS / Modem	
Cartridge		(cartridge images, cartridge tools)
Characters		(characterset editors, converters)
Compression		(charpackers, crunchers, zippers, archivers, packing systems)
Copying			(protectors, coders, copiers)
Data base		(data bases, catalogue tools, spreasheets)
Demo making		(intro makers, demo makers)
Diagnostics		(testers)
Disk I/O		(turboloaders, loadersystems)
Disk utility		(disk editors, dir editors, formatters)
Game development	(map editors, seuck)
Graphics converting	
Graphics editing	(bitmap editors)
Graphics utility	(viewers, cleaners)
Machine code		(assemblers, monitors)
Messaging		(notemakers, writers, docs makers)
Music editing	
Music utility		(rippers, relocators, players)
Operating system	(GEOS)
Other	
Programming language	(interpreters, compilers)
Sprites	
Tape I/O		(turboloaders)
Tape utility		(tape cataloguing software, head adjusters)
Text editing		(text editors, magazine editors)

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