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Turtle
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Fred Gray's Hysteria inspired by Rondo Veniziano?
Recently I came across a clip on youtube from the german "Sendung mit der Maus" which was accompanied by some classical music which at once reminded me of Fred Gray's Hysteria #3 - one of the best tunes ever in c64 history. So I found out that the tv-tune is called "La Serenissima" from Rondò Veniziano (1981). I googled a little bit but couldn't find anything that covered the similarities of both tunes. Neither STIL has any comment. What do you think? Was Fred inspired by this one? Or is this just cold coffee and I didn't googled good enough?
Fred: http://www.tld-crew.de/c64music/MUSICIANS/G/Gray_Fred/Hysteria...
Rondo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej_wRgBS5lI
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Angel of Death
Registered: Apr 2008
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Not quite a smoking gun but similarities are there.
To me it is more probable that both tunes have the same, much older, classical origin. Doing disco/pop renditions of classical music was all the rage in those days.
And an educated musician like Fred Gray would of course have walked into the original at some point...
ps.
Used to watch "Sendung mit der maus" every weekend with my brother when there were indeed only 2 dutch and 3 german channels.
And everyone on holiday in germany thinking: were did those young kids learn how to speak all that german.
From TV man! :) |
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Turtle
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Btw: If anyone is interested in the actual episode, here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl5jZ0dO5Rk
It's about manufacturing chocolate marshmallows...
To me it was the other way round. I went into the kitchen to receive the dutch top of the pops (or something similar) on friday with my portable b/w tv back in 1983 as they showed more videos than the german Formel 1... |
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SIDWAVE
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To turtle,
it takes only to hit a chord of 3 notes, or 3 notes after another, to create a feeling, that is recognizable from some other music.
its not based on, it just has the same key elements.
it only takes 3 notes to do that.
you cant copy notes, only the spaces between them.
composers dont make notes, because all have the same ones.
the composer makes the space and beat between the notes, thats all.
:D
example:
D-C-D... C-A#-A-F-G
/MUSICIANS/G/Galway_Martin/Rambo_First_Blood_Part_II.sid #6
i bet a million nobody hears it, except a composer.
if you play the notes, and change only the last 3 notes and play in the right beat, it is in fact...
(change them to G-F#-G)
it's Bach's Toccata, the intronotes, the first thing you hear in that peace.
So, you cant steal notes, only the space between them, which gives the feeling.
similar, if you press 2 2-finger chords going upwards or downwards, 99% will say "which jarre tune is that" ?
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote:if you press 2 2-finger chords
you cant form a chord from just two notes =P
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NecroPolo
Registered: Jun 2009
Posts: 231 |
Quote: Quote:if you press 2 2-finger chords
you cant form a chord from just two notes =P
In theory, no. In real life, all the time.
Jan: You're totally right about the space stuff :) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote:In theory, no. In real life, all the time.
no you cant. two notes form an interval, not a chord. and only because people mistake intervals for "Power chords" it still doesnt make them chords :) |
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booker
Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 334 |
Quote: Recently I came across a clip on youtube from the german "Sendung mit der Maus" which was accompanied by some classical music which at once reminded me of Fred Gray's Hysteria #3 - one of the best tunes ever in c64 history. So I found out that the tv-tune is called "La Serenissima" from Rondò Veniziano (1981). I googled a little bit but couldn't find anything that covered the similarities of both tunes. Neither STIL has any comment. What do you think? Was Fred inspired by this one? Or is this just cold coffee and I didn't googled good enough?
Fred: http://www.tld-crew.de/c64music/MUSICIANS/G/Gray_Fred/Hysteria...
Rondo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej_wRgBS5lI
Sounds to me simple: Gray covered Venziano. :)
This is not an alone example in the C64 game music history.
Both tunes are just great! |
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NecroPolo
Registered: Jun 2009
Posts: 231 |
Quote: Quote:In theory, no. In real life, all the time.
no you cant. two notes form an interval, not a chord. and only because people mistake intervals for "Power chords" it still doesnt make them chords :)
Even theorists are divided considering that as far as I know. If you wish, we can continue the "no it's not - yes it is" game in PM and release the result in a demo later on ;) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
there really is no doubt about that in music theory either :) |
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booker
Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 334 |
There's a smart solution to the war about that one - ASK FRED! :)) |
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