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mankeli
Registered: Oct 2010
Posts: 146 |
Release id #247799 : Bowhunter
"I can honestly say that all these pixels has been carefully selected" - Why say this when it obviously looks like it's not the case? |
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Six
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 293 |
We should program an AI to churn out irate gatekeeping rants - just think of all the typing that would save for everyone. |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285 |
While We’re at it, We should also program a script to churn out fashionable words like “gatekeeping” that make the user sound very laid back. ;) |
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Six
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 293 |
You can throw snark, but this is gatekeeping by the dictionary definition. It's also some gross hypocrisy since most of the people complaining are using tools of their own to make the work simpler.
The whole argument isn't functionally different from saying that real coders don't use compilers. It's what insecure people who have pigeonholed themselves into a single model do when the world moves forward around them - complain and try to drag everyone else backwards. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
Quote: You can throw snark, but this is gatekeeping by the dictionary definition. It's also some gross hypocrisy since most of the people complaining are using tools of their own to make the work simpler.
The whole argument isn't functionally different from saying that real coders don't use compilers. It's what insecure people who have pigeonholed themselves into a single model do when the world moves forward around them - complain and try to drag everyone else backwards.
What is insecure about aiming for artistic integrity and high quality productions? Insecurity usually triggers defense mechanism. Some of the comments under Bowhunter are good example of those. And they are not by Joe... |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285 |
Oh, not so laid back after all. Good.
Quote:drag everyone else backwards.
Exactly how pointing out that it’s a shame that low quality conversions of stolen pictures which were not that good to begin with participate in compos which state “no copy” in 2024 drags everyone else backwards?
Insecure? Pigeonholed? I see the fashionable term generator that guarantees laidback coolnes still works full throttle. |
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Six
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 293 |
Quote: Oh, not so laid back after all. Good.
Quote:drag everyone else backwards.
Exactly how pointing out that it’s a shame that low quality conversions of stolen pictures which were not that good to begin with participate in compos which state “no copy” in 2024 drags everyone else backwards?
Insecure? Pigeonholed? I see the fashionable term generator that guarantees laidback coolnes still works full throttle.
I don't really need to answer that since you're assigning me a position I didn't take. Compo entries should obey compo rules. Though if we're going to say AI has no place in compos, let's get rid of all the modern tools that let people use clip art and trace too.
The people who are using every tool available short of AI complaining about people using AI AT ALL is what I'm mocking - that you somehow managed to interpret that as a personal attack and need to foam over it, well that's just free entertainment. |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285 |
All cool, sorry, I must have misunderstood you.
In a way I thought you were saying that this: Bowhunter is somehow progressive and our way forward, while this: Bri1iiI! is somehow regressive and “drags everyone backwards”. |
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Six
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 293 |
Quote: All cool, sorry, I must have misunderstood you.
In a way I thought you were saying that this: Bowhunter is somehow progressive and our way forward, while this: Bri1iiI! is somehow regressive and “drags everyone backwards”.
They're both cool things made for the C64 so I appreciate them both (though for different reasons).
My criticism is specifically for people who use every modern tool short of AI - and then complain about other people using AI. Those editors where you can paste in clip art or transparency the editor over a source image - using those is no different from using AI - though I wouldn't condemn either outside of a compo.
What's regressive is the idea that a production [outside of the context of compo rules] sucks if it's produced using tools newer than the ones the complainer is comfortable with. That kind of cyber-luddite-ism, taken to its logical conclusion, would have everyone restricted to KoalaPaint 1 - and even THEN the guy complaining about other people's work would probably have printed out art and taped it to his Koala pad to copy.
We're on the exact same page when it comes to compos and obeying their rules. |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1932 |
Yawn ... this is still a thread on the referenced release.
It doesnt feel like it anymore though... just a reminder. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
Quote: They're both cool things made for the C64 so I appreciate them both (though for different reasons).
My criticism is specifically for people who use every modern tool short of AI - and then complain about other people using AI. Those editors where you can paste in clip art or transparency the editor over a source image - using those is no different from using AI - though I wouldn't condemn either outside of a compo.
What's regressive is the idea that a production [outside of the context of compo rules] sucks if it's produced using tools newer than the ones the complainer is comfortable with. That kind of cyber-luddite-ism, taken to its logical conclusion, would have everyone restricted to KoalaPaint 1 - and even THEN the guy complaining about other people's work would probably have printed out art and taped it to his Koala pad to copy.
We're on the exact same page when it comes to compos and obeying their rules.
Sorry six, but thre is so much wrong in what you claim about generative AI vs gfx tools, not to speak about apparent bad taste/inability to recognize production quality of the mentioned productions. :-\ |
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