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2010-11-09 12:26

DeeKay

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 363

Pointless rule-enforcement on CSdb

Okay, you all know how I like CSDb-drama, but usually I don't create any myself, but in this case Groepaz anal-ness about CSDb-rules simply forces me to:

Here's the story: We released the PAL/NTSC version of the NUFLI editor. It pretty much only included the new universal displayer, so we kept everything else the same. However, as I noticed on X while working on Electric's Tiger, it got somehow corrupted, meaning that it would CRASH and DESTROY your picture when you drew with sprites under certain circumstances. I notified Crossbow and he confirmed it and started working on a fixed version, which i tested extensively to make sure it's all A-ok (that's v1.12)

Okay, so I approached Groepaz and asked how to best solve the problem that there's a BROKEN version of our NUFLI editor on CSDb that actually DESTROYS images! I was really willing to play by the rules (=not deleting it and not stealthily replacing it with a fixed version), but whatever I suggested and did (renaming it to "Buggy-ed" so people wouldn't find it, using the "this file is corrupted" feature in the file dialogue), he said it's all not allowed and reversed anything I would try. Now I'm locked out of our own tool and can't edit it, great. Talking about admin power abuse... I dunno what his problem is seriously, sometimes he just loves to piss people off for no reason whatsoever...

Okay, so now there's still the broken v1.11 online which people can happily download. But why the FUCK would anyone want a broken version of a tool that DESTROYS your picture? This is not some 90% party version of a Demo, so what's the fucking point? Okay, so we released it corrupted, our bad. But should we be punished indefinately for it when we FIXED it meanwhile? And why can't I simply use the "this file is corrupted" feature? What's the point being anal about THAT, too? I mean - you CAN still download it and masturbate over a disfunctional c64 tool if that's your sexual preference, but at least you'll know it's br0ken! The *only* hint that it's broken is in the comments, which thank god GroeFaZ didn't delete...

Good v1.12: NUFLI Editor V1.12
Bad v1.11: NUFLI Editor V1.11 [broken]

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2010-11-11 22:57

DeeKay

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 363

Quoting Groepaz

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Agreed... Still, they should try to work with their users, not against them! And I definately had this feeling when dealing with Gpz this time...

sorry, but if someone asks me how to do something, gets told it cant be done, and then he still turns around and does it, twice even - then i quickly switch to nazimoderator mode (and not just me), because i get the feeling someone is not only not listening, but also dileberately ignoring what has been said. and that part of the message you managed to get across quite well this time =P

Again: There is NOTHING in the rules about how to properly use the "file corrupted" feature, just like it doesn't say anything on how exactly you're allowed to change the entry name. So why should I be violating a rule that is not written? Besides: I've only found out about this feature when someone else used it *exactly* the same way without any trouble some weeks back, to mark a broken version that he uploaded by mistake!
If there's no rule about it and you still keep shooting down anything I try, what other conclusion can i draw from this than that you're obviously trying to piss me off on purpose?
The solution we have now, adding "broken" to the name, repackaging it into a zip that clearly tells users that it's broken, could've been found weeks ago already if you were actually trying to work with me...

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I was never on the US boards, but from what I've heard I seriously don't want CSDb to adopt such a flamewarring elitist culture...

oh come on... that coming from the guy who writes "actually enjoys flame wars" into his profile?

Yeah.. The fun flamewars (think: debate club!), not the ragwar kind! ;-)

2010-11-11 23:27

iAN CooG

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3193

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Again: There is NOTHING in the rules about how to properly use the "file corrupted" feature

CSDB rules doesn't need to explain the meaning of every english word used on the site.
The whole debate it's because of your misuse or misunderstanding of the term "broken".
It's not broken, it's BUGGED. Like every existing program, it has very likely some bugs, somewhere. Fix the bugs, increase version, release new version.
Really it's just a matter of basic knowledge and usage of a minimum of common sense.
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I've only found out about this feature when someone else used it *exactly* the same way without any trouble some weeks back, to mark a broken version that he uploaded by mistake!

Care to link some? If they are marked corrupted and they aren't, they should be unmarked aswell.
If someone makes errors, it doesn't mean you can do the same. Errors must be fixed. If everyone could do whatever they want this place would be a mess in 2 days or less.

2010-11-12 00:32

DeeKay

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 363

Quoting iAN CooG

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Again: There is NOTHING in the rules about how to properly use the "file corrupted" feature

CSDB rules doesn't need to explain the meaning of every english word used on the site.
The whole debate it's because of your misuse or misunderstanding of the term "broken".
It's not broken, it's BUGGED. Like every existing program, it has very likely some bugs, somewhere. Fix the bugs, increase version, release new version.
Really it's just a matter of basic knowledge and usage of a minimum of common sense.

Aha, and this semantical difference in a CSDb admin's mind between "bugged" and "broken" needs to be guessed? btw: where does "corrupted" fit in to the whole equation?
Sorry, but "a minimum of common sense" is complete BS. HOW the fuck is *anyone* supposed to know what exactly *you* define as "broken"? Write in the damn file dialogue "corrupted means this copy has an error, to try to look for a working one" and everything's clear. Until that's the case, "broken" means to every normal thinking person NOT WORKING!
Remember that not everyone lives in collector's world, where this actually might be "obvious"...

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I've only found out about this feature when someone else used it *exactly* the same way without any trouble some weeks back, to mark a broken version that he uploaded by mistake!

Care to link some? If they are marked corrupted and they aren't, they should be unmarked aswell.

Can't remember the name, sorry.. some new release, the guy said he'll build and add a working copy soonish...

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If someone makes errors, it doesn't mean you can do the same.

For that, I would have to know that it actually *was* an error. Still doesn't say so anywhere in the rules, sorry to burst your bubble!

Like said way before: If you're gonna be super-anal about the rules, you should damn well spell them out!

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Errors must be fixed. If everyone could do whatever they want this place would be a mess in 2 days or less.

Phew, talking about pulling things out of proportion... Remember kids: If you tag files wrongly as corrupted, there'll be pestilence and fire will rain from the sky! The dark lord Cthulu will come from another dimension and ravish your wives and kids!

2010-11-12 01:12

Rough
Account closed

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829

I'm already here for some years, with breaks inbetween.

2010-11-12 14:18

Steppe

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510

Nyäh!

2010-11-12 14:19

Sixx

Registered: May 2005
Posts: 229

Fuck the german scene.

2010-11-12 15:10

The Overkiller
Account closed

Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 342

Quoting DeeKay