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Eyeth
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Milestone Demo?
Hello, CSDb denizens:
I'm writing what I hope to be a series of articles covering the demo scene for a U.S. Commodore oriented newsletter covering the 8-bit scene.
I'm planning on writing an article on what would be considered a 'milestone' demo. A demo that was so technically brilliant and elegant and revitalized the demo industry.
My current nomination is 'Dutch Breeze' by Blackmail. Before this demo, the demo scene consisted of scrollytexts, some math, some DYCP's, sprite trickery in the borders, VSP's and FLD's.
After this demo burst on the scene, it paved the way for truly innovative demos like Krestology, where rich and colorful graphics now grace the screens.
Your thoughts?
-Todd Elliott
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Puterman
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And no Panoramic demo. Oh well. |
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CreaMD
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Including Mathematica, Krestology and Oneder into the voting chart is quite strange.
As far as Milestone demo of all times is concerned I don't think it can be seriously found this way. Demos can be technical milestones (many), other are design milestones (many), art milestones (A quoi ca sert? ;), personal milestones, musical milestones, emotional milestones, party compo milestones.. whatever milestones. I really don't think having for example Think Twice as milestone would be satisfying. If we really want to find milestones it should be set year by year, maybe even month by month with complete reasons given for each selected demo. Picking up one demo out from historical contexts and putting it on piedestal? Some of us will have to explain a lot of things to their children... ;-)
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Dwangi
Registered: Dec 2001
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Maybe would be better with no selection, you could vote on which demo you want.
btw will those votes be transparant? :) |
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hollowman
Registered: Dec 2001
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i'd give my vote for a qui ca sert? since it's
a demo that could be interesting to a person
who hasnt spent most of his life in this
little narrowminded world called demoscene,
being indoctrinated with what the limitations
of c64 are, and what a cool demo is supposed
to look like. i believe it has qualities that
could be appreciated outside this ghetto,
and therefor its a milestone
and the lack of panoramic demos doesnt make this
any better.
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Shake
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compiling a list of milestone demos with their respective milestone, that would be far more interesting for c64 history. |
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Oxidy
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If we REALLY need to vote for THE ONE AND ONLY milestone demo, then go with Dwangi's suggestion. Let everyone vote for what they think is milestones, preferably with a comment. Then it's just up to Eyeth to compile the results.
But, better still, go with Shake's suggestion.
How can you measure design milestones vs code milestones and say one is more important than the other. You can't, therefor the whole concept of finding THE milestone demo is quite stupid. Compile a list, and leave it at that.
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Eyeth
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Hello.
This is the kind of flak I was expecting and it is welcomed. :) I know I will never be able to compile a list that will include noteworthy releases and geninue milestones. I can only try to pick ten demos to make a nice rounded list and can only hope for the best.
Maybe, in my hubris, in finally awarding a milestone demo winner out of this voting chart, there will be the lively discussion (flamefest, even) that follows when the results are announced. I can live with that.
Just remember that all I want to do is to write an article about one demo that is a true milestone and then write about other noteworthy releases. This voting chart will help me a lot, and lend some sense of validation and credibility.
Enjoy.
-Todd Elliott |
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Eyeth
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Quote: Maybe would be better with no selection, you could vote on which demo you want.
btw will those votes be transparant? :)
Hello, Dwangi-
The votes would be transparent to the voting authority (me). :) I mainly did this as I wanted to ensure that there were no voting irregularities, i.e., mysterious handles voting for a certain demo entry.
I would be hesistant to release the transparent votes onto the CSDb forum, and I'm leaning towards against such a release. That said, there's a chance that the voting results will be released for all to see.
-Todd Elliott |
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anonym
Registered: Jan 2002
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What about the Double Density demo by Mr. Cursor with that diagonal graphic scroller.
And some Panoramic Design demos are missing, too ;-)
/Frank |
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Dwangi
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 130 |
People have asked me why i choosed fressepissen/metalvotze as i milestone demo.
Well, in the last screen they use a very special gfx-format. The undocument ECP-mode (extended colour palette)-mode. It was meant that you could use this mode by setting bit 0 in $d032, and then you could use colours of a palette of 32 real colours. But actually failed to implement this mode correct.
Metalvotze did som trix to use this "undocement" register and with that they can get some of the "undocument colours"
You can f.e see a totally new yellow colour.
I dont know exactly how MV did this but afaik this one takes a lot of rastertime, even so much RT that they couldn't play any music and AFAIK this do not work well on NTSC-machines and on emulators you can't see the "new" colours.
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