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angelo
Registered: Jul 2024
Posts: 13 |
Howdy
Hi there. It's my first post here, so lemme introduce myself. I'm angelo, or æn.d͡ʒə.loʊ, or unj, a founder of KSKPD, the group behind polish unesco application.
I'm in process of researching some early-computing stuff, including an idea planted by @Krill and @bitfat, that the default narrative of "In the beginning it was a cracker scene, that developed into demoscene later because $REASONS" might be worth challenging.
I might be asking in various sub-forums questions around data on this site, but while I used to be a part of demoscene as a coder (1995+), I also owned PC exclusively since my first computer in like 1990. I skipped 8bit phase completely, so please bare with me, if the questions sound obvious or straight-up outrageously naive :) |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285 |
Yeah, I guess I'm too dumb to see the answer.
My fervour is a reaction to your fervour.
The source of your fervour is still unknown to me.
You're the disruptive innovator, the pot-stirrer, the truth fighter of this story, I'm a mere average joe conservative piece of rock. |
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Joe
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 229 |
I am Joe, a conservative piece of rock ;D |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
Quote: Yeah, I guess I'm too dumb to see the answer.
My fervour is a reaction to your fervour.
The source of your fervour is still unknown to me.
You're the disruptive innovator, the pot-stirrer, the truth fighter of this story, I'm a mere average joe conservative piece of rock.
goto 10. without proof your position is not the "truth" |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
Quote:I find it very unlikely that a German-language print magazine (or media in general) "invented" the demoscene.
I'd say the opposite: 64er in particular invented quite some things when it comes to "the scene". "Geschichten aus dem Sumpf" *shudder*
What would be actually somewhere interesting though: when did people start talking about "demoscene" rather than just "scene" anyway? I don't remember "demoscene" from the 80s at all - it was all "scene". |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285 |
@Oswald
As You’ve repeatedly shown us, You are desperately out of your depth here buddy. Chill. Go Google “scientific theory” while chilling. Don’t troll. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
Quote: Quote:I find it very unlikely that a German-language print magazine (or media in general) "invented" the demoscene.
I'd say the opposite: 64er in particular invented quite some things when it comes to "the scene". "Geschichten aus dem Sumpf" *shudder*
What would be actually somewhere interesting though: when did people start talking about "demoscene" rather than just "scene" anyway? I don't remember "demoscene" from the 80s at all - it was all "scene".
I think demoscene is probably an "invention" of the amiga / pc scene. I still feel its stupid, its still just scene to me. In the c64 community It was scene only even around 96ish imho when I have joined the "scene" on irc, releasing demos, etc. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4732 |
Quote: I think demoscene is probably an "invention" of the amiga / pc scene. I still feel its stupid, its still just scene to me. In the c64 community It was scene only even around 96ish imho when I have joined the "scene" on irc, releasing demos, etc.
This I agree on. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4732 |
Quote: I am Joe, a conservative piece of rock ;D
This is why I love you. <3 |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2980 |
As for the oft-cited article How Those Crackers Became Us Demosceners - when reading it with the "alternative" interpretation of history in mind, a few phrases stand out:
Quote:In the late 1980s the legal part of the cracking and warez scene slowly drifted away from the illegal part. Quote:Based on the interviews, there were no sharp borders between different activities before the 1990s: cracking, swapping, intro coding and demos coexisted side by side. Quote:sceners did not somehow “become” interested in pure audiovisual programming, as there were such people right from the beginning. Quote:Bacchus mentioned two groups, Horizon and Ian & Mic, as examples that were not involved in cracking Quote:it was very common that the same people distributed both demos and warez at the same time These do raise the question how far demos and related things really go back relative to cracks-with-intros, and how much truth there really is to the old "first appeared crackers with their crack intros, which then evolved into the demoscene" narrative. |
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Fungus
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 686 |
When I became active in the scene, there was just the scene. Demo and Cracking etc was just subparts of the scene, I still feel that way personally, they are not separate and never were. |
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