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2005-10-25 00:56

Nafcom

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588

Implement http://ftp.pokefinder.org/ into CSDb

Implement http://ftp.pokefinder.org/ into CSDb for alternative download link search!
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2005-11-06 10:50

Seven

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 202

@nafcom: You still don't get it, do you? This is not about trust. This is about safety and redundancy, and neither is accomplished by a single person with a backup, no matter how much you trust that person.

@tlr: Perff already said he wouldn't mind exporting the files for an FTP to host them, so I think that's the least of the problems.

The bigger problem will be a copy of the database, especially after the MacGyver incident showed that there's a lot of trust issues to be taken into consideration. How much of the functionality should be left intact with the copy, how much of the database has to be copied for that, and does that include user account information, passwords and (hidden) voting information?

I think there's a lot of work to be done for a "safe" copy of CSDb and even if Perff can be talked into doing that work, I wouldn't count on it anytime soon.

2005-11-06 11:28

Nafcom

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588

Quote: @nafcom: You still don't get it, do you? This is not about trust. This is about safety and redundancy, and neither is accomplished by a single person with a backup, no matter how much you trust that person.

@tlr: Perff already said he wouldn't mind exporting the files for an FTP to host them, so I think that's the least of the problems.

The bigger problem will be a copy of the database, especially after the MacGyver incident showed that there's a lot of trust issues to be taken into consideration. How much of the functionality should be left intact with the copy, how much of the database has to be copied for that, and does that include user account information, passwords and (hidden) voting information?

I think there's a lot of work to be done for a "safe" copy of CSDb and even if Perff can be talked into doing that work, I wouldn't count on it anytime soon.

No, you just take stuff too personal and too agressive. Cool down.

2005-11-06 11:50

TDJ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879

Okay, let me add a few more cents (..) to this discussion then. I think there's a bigger 'problem' here: CSDB has become too popular for its own good and is in danger of colapsing under its own weight. Perff & co do a fantastic job, came up with a cool idea and actually realised it (which is more than I can say of my own ideas).

However, Perff, as he himself has stated several times, is not a professional software-architect. Hence, there have been problems with trying to make this into something it was never meant to be. One way of handling that is by doing what's done right now: whenever a new problem or situation arises, some kind of hack is performed. Most of the times this works (because Perff is quite talented I might add) but in the long run it will cause new problems.

The best solution would be to simple release a new version, build from the ground up. Perff doesn't have to do that by himself: many of us do this stuff for a living and could help him with it. We have database experts, usability experts, search engine experts in our midst. It would also be very important to actually think things over before implementing them, to come up with a flexible system which at least is prepared to interact & be integrated with all the systems already out there that are worth interacting & integrating with (..). Ofcourse this would bring csdb into a whole new area, that of 'semi-professional' web-application, but I think it would be worth it.

By the way, even though yes, I am one of those professionals, I'm not claiming I should be the one to help him with it, I'm sure there are several others here who are just as qualified as I am. But if you need me Perff, just holla at me ;)

2005-11-06 13:32

iopop

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 317

Why do I always have to agree with TDJ?

No, seriously, the idea is not bad at all and Ive been having the same idea in my mind for a few years. Especially when it comes to the Crack and "umbrella group" situation. Which if I understod correctly is impossible from a db perspective.

And yes, since I whine about it, Im ofcourse obligated to help.

2005-11-06 13:43

cba

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 935

Quote: Why do I always have to agree with TDJ?

No, seriously, the idea is not bad at all and Ive been having the same idea in my mind for a few years. Especially when it comes to the Crack and "umbrella group" situation. Which if I understod correctly is impossible from a db perspective.

And yes, since I whine about it, Im ofcourse obligated to help.

I also would fully support the idea to make a new CSDB,
And as TDJ already says, so many of us are able to help out
in one way or another.

Who is willing to make the first step?

Niels

2005-11-06 15:53

Nafcom

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588

Quote: I also would fully support the idea to make a new CSDB,
And as TDJ already says, so many of us are able to help out
in one way or another.

Who is willing to make the first step?

Niels

Err... There is a CSDb version 2 planned, Perff asked several times in the forum for help, got no help. Funny that now people talk here now about a new CSDb! =)

2005-11-06 16:23

TDJ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879

Quote: Err... There is a CSDb version 2 planned, Perff asked several times in the forum for help, got no help. Funny that now people talk here now about a new CSDb! =)

Where did he ask that? I know I have offered him help several times, but didn't get a reply. So please point me to the posts he made ..

2005-11-06 16:30

Nafcom

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588

Quote: Where did he ask that? I know I have offered him help several times, but didn't get a reply. So please point me to the posts he made ..

Uh, I can't really remember when that was, etc, please forgive me. - But I am sure we spoke about that even on ICQ a couple of times, also with KBS (co-admin of CSDb).

2005-11-06 16:35

TDJ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879

Quote: Uh, I can't really remember when that was, etc, please forgive me. - But I am sure we spoke about that even on ICQ a couple of times, also with KBS (co-admin of CSDb).

You're forgiven ;) Anyway, who cares if there was no reaction back then - there is now. So hopefully one of you can tell us how far you are in that process, and if you still need help.

Maybe it would be a nice idea to have people willing to help 'state' their qualifications somewhere (in a new thread perhaps)?

2005-11-06 17:01

Nafcom

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588

Quote: You're forgiven ;) Anyway, who cares if there was no reaction back then - there is now. So hopefully one of you can tell us how far you are in that process, and if you still need help.

Maybe it would be a nice idea to have people willing to help 'state' their qualifications somewhere (in a new thread perhaps)?

"One of you" excludes me.

CSDb crew is Perff, KBS, Cyberbrain, not me, sorry.
I am not (neither officially nor inofficially) a part of this crew, even when some people think that. :)

So, I suggest you contact one or all 3 of them, or wait till one of them replies to this thread here, again.

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