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2013-12-13 22:23

Didi

Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 487

Comment editing disabled

What's the reason for disabling this, please?

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2013-12-17 21:21

chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384

but it wouldnt make the amount of moderator work that is required to handle the resulting mess less - which is the whole point

2013-12-17 22:17

Kristian

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 126

Ok, I thought the problem was that people edited their comments so that follow-up comments/replies would be messed up or suddenly have no meaning. My idea wouldn't help the moderating part, but atleast discussions/comments wouldn't be messed up because of edited/deleted posts.

2013-12-18 12:42

jailbird

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578

Quoting spider

Mh. I thought after the "public-votes-only" feature on CSDb this vote-discussion would end. Why is there still a problem? I think this is a good compromise.

Quoting Groepaz

it will not end unless the public voting nerds got what they think is best. and then it will start over because someone else is butthurt =)

That was never a solution. Both of you still don't seem to understand that it's not about the score (the downvotes/upvotes do not even affect the score due to the weighted average calculations!).
It's about basic human interaction. When people encounter anonymous very low votes on products in which they put a lot of energy and time, and in their opinion deserve at least a bit more, then distress, irritation, aggravation and anger ensues. It's not about being butthurt by being overly sensitive (if that would be the case, people would also make huge fuss about anonymous threes or fours), it's about directly perceiving unfair and dishonest anonymous valuation. That has a negative effect on most of the people - and has more with dejection than not accepting negativity. That's socialization 101 and affects a lot of people in every kind personal environments (workplace, family, group of acquaintances, etc), not just here on CSDb. "Someone has a very negative opinion about my work/personality without any explanation and I'm wondering why it is, perhaps I did something bad to someone; but I'll never know;". The thoughts linger, one has to deal with them, and they're demoralizing and discouraging. Yes, Groepaz, you and a handful others on this site see things just in black and white, but a high number of others do not. That's why the problem still exists, and won't go away till it's not solved normally. Either by not showing who voted what at all (so no one will ever know if they have low votes or not), or showing all the voters (which will discourage the votesystem used for passive aggressive behavior).

Another thing: once there's a scale from one to ten, the meaning of numbers have much more nuances than good/bad, I like it/I don't like or +/-.

Quoting Groepaz

in this case the opinion is "i dont like it"

Far from it. Let me remind you: even the site itself says that a 1 means awful (very bad or unpleasant; synonyms: very unpleasant, disgusting, nasty, terrible, dreadful, ghastly, horrid, horrible, vile, foul, abominable, appalling, atrocious, horrendous, hideous, offensive, objectionable, obnoxious, frightful, loathsome, revolting, repulsive, repellent, repugnant, odious, sickening, nauseating, nauseous). That's very very far from "i dont like it".

Quoting Kristian Røstøen

Ok, I thought the problem was that people edited their comments so that follow-up comments/replies would be messed up or suddenly have no meaning. My idea wouldn't help the moderating part, but atleast discussions/comments wouldn't be messed up because of edited/deleted posts.

Same here. I didn't even noticed that the comment system was used for spam. Was it anyway?

2013-12-18 15:29

Fierman

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 85

Maybe csdb should get rid of the voting system altogether, and focus on serving its original function: a historical database for all scenereleases related to the c64.

At least it will end this endless whining....

2013-12-18 15:47

jailbird

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578

Quote:

Maybe csdb should get rid of the voting system altogether

Yeah like that wasn't suggested hundreds of times.

This scene is based on charts/point systems, the constant competition is what pushes it further on its way. Dismissing the scoreboards isn't really the best solution. And completely ignoring the problems a faulty system causes isn't a good way to make it better either.

2013-12-18 17:48

Hein

Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 954

Quote: Quote:
Maybe csdb should get rid of the voting system altogether

Yeah like that wasn't suggested hundreds of times.

This scene is based on charts/point systems, the constant competition is what pushes it further on its way. Dismissing the scoreboards isn't really the best solution. And completely ignoring the problems a faulty system causes isn't a good way to make it better either.

Maybe this thread is about comment editing.

I'm in favour of not being able to edit your comment. Who cares about typos? The fact that someone can make a fool out of himself and not revert it when sober, hilarious! Changing opinion in time, sure, add another comment. Public excuses shows character. All great benefits available within the click of a button.

2013-12-18 19:05

chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384

Quote:

Who cares about typos? The fact that someone can make a fool out of himself and not revert it when sober, hilarious! Changing opinion in time, sure, add another comment. Public excuses shows character. All great benefits available within the click of a button.

that. it somewhat relates to the "what was released can not be unreleased" rule. think BEFORE clicking submit.

2013-12-18 19:41

MagerValp

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1078

Quoting Jailbird

Out of the blue, here's a list of those who mentioned anonymous votes with negative connotation just here on CSDb.

OK, do NOT use my name as support for your bitching here. Voting has been discussed to death and Perff obviously has better things to do, so just drop it and move on.

2013-12-18 19:54

jailbird

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578

Quote: Quoting Jailbird
Out of the blue, here's a list of those who mentioned anonymous votes with negative connotation just here on CSDb.

OK, do NOT use my name as support for your bitching here. Voting has been discussed to death and Perff obviously has better things to do, so just drop it and move on.

It wasn't me who initially mentioned the negative behavior of the users considering the CSDb voting system in this thread. Discussing the voting didn't even occurred to my mind until that point.

And well, just look at the post above you: next time think BEFORE clicking submit - so I won't be able to use your name to support my bitching.

2013-12-19 08:40

The Shadow

Registered: Oct 2007
Posts: 304

A way to both disable comment editing and to compromise is to give a time limit on comment editing. For instance to allow comments to be edited only during a one hour period after posting.

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