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The Shadow
Registered: Oct 2007
Posts: 304 |
Repeal Anonymous Voting
Anonymous voting allows cowards to abuse the voting system. People downvote like sneaky little bastards. If you are voting for a person, group or release and you feel that your particular vote is how you honestly feel then there is no reason to conceal your vote. Repealing anonymous voting would weed out a large portion of the downvoters. |
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Ed
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 173 |
Some days ago I answered on a mail here and will let you in on my quick views:
Concerning the anonymous voting discussion in general I dont think many people will suffer badly if the votes went public, as there are only a few percentage (me, James, Yazoo and some more people) that actually have taken some time to vote around here.
Most of you guys that raise your voices have usually only voted around 150+ votes and have seldom more than a few 50+ releases in the scene. It's all there. Just check the statistics.
I feel the whole discussion is rather limiting in the first place as it would probably be more fruitful if we could attack it from a different angle. Of course, there have been attempts to show that the voting algorithm in general is not a good one and that basically everything about the voting system, from navigation, frequency of voters and activity, to anonymous or public votes, etc. has flaws.
Usually there are some "patches", "filters" or "new formulas" suggested that even moderators at times end up telling us that they'll take under consideration, but in the end of the day it still looks the same.
Usually discussions are pointed to examples such as election votes and also imdb votes, etc. and the counter-reaction is that "well that's a completely different thing" because it works there. And then a number of different reasons why, all returning to the source of the problem: there is simply too little energy put into the voting here. There are numerous other obvious problems with such a comparison which I will leave out here. Get out of the loop.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11359 |
*applause*
time to close the thread :) |
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v3to
Registered: Feb 2005
Posts: 150 |
leaving personal preferences behind i agree that the quantity of votes is the only real issue here (and probably deleting votes of people that left as csdb members)... with more votes there would be no reason for down/upvote or anonymous discussion. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11359 |
indeed, as said countless times before ... if there is a significant number of votes, then "upvoting" and "downvoting" becomes statistically irrelevant to the result. and if there isnt a significant number of votes, then the entire result is irrelevant from the start, no matter how you twist it =P |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
So the conclusion is to spend more time voting and less time in this thread. ;) |
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terric
Account closed
Registered: Feb 2009
Posts: 47 |
Can't help myself, just had to comment this.
If all people which can vote(csdb users) have a non anonymous vote, will they vote less?
I actually think so. No matter how much people talk about that they are gonna vote anyway, i believe some of them doesn't.
I am not an anonymous voter, but i doesn't like removal of this feature.
Votes on Magazine sheets haven't been public, have they ?
Well there you have some more views on this. :)(if i haven't second anyone)
Terric
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bugjam
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 2581 |
Quote: Martin, we can do something about that but in the process, we will lose something.
By making only non anonymous votes counted for some of us, not everyone will get fairer rank. Not all unfair downvoters are anonymous.
And even when I love the idea of having just "like". I found that evil, because it removes simple disagreement from the equation. For example if soemone don't agree with having Desert Dream (139 votes) in top 10 (place 9, One-Der has just 93 votes), because you consider it unfair to be above the original C64 productions, by not pressing like you can't express such disagreement. It brings the "necessity" to handle the disagreement that is reasoned and communicated openly. Not everyone want's to argue about such things though and also it won't beat the popularity vote. And btw. I love the demo and I don't have anything against it being 10, it was just example of how some other people can view things.
By this way you also lose the big part of feedback on less popular things. The ranks will be more influenced by popularity than actual evaluation of quality by voters. Of course not always the judgement of quality is fair, but at least there is some chance for exposure for releases or sceners that are voted 10 for 5 times and then downvoted by someone who thinks it doesn't deserve such a high mark.
In past I tried to fight against unfair voting. Better said, the voting I considered unfair from my point of view. But over those 9-10 years I realised that this society is too diversified and that I can't prevent myself from being biased. If I was author/owner of this system I wouldn't mind cleaning downvotes anywhere I considered it fair, even on my account, because my system, my rules, but here I'm just a guest and a part of it, I try to live with it and ignore the ocassional disenchanting feelings. Being completely ignored is probably much worse than having someone downvoting you because he hates you. ;-)
Just one comment on the "disagreement" thing: for me, that is just another form of (unjustified) downvoting. A production should be judged honestly for its quality, and not for its position in the charts. In your example, if you disagree with Desert Dreams being in the top ten, and you vote it a "1" to get it lower, that is not a fair vote, it just serves a "tactical" purpose. One has to live with the opinion of the majority, so that is no reason not to try out this system. If you want another demo to overtake, just open a thread to make people aware of another production you think deserves more "likes". We could have an "endless" thread (like the "tunes missing in HVSC"), where everyone can post something he/she thinks deserves more attention (should be moderated very strictly to serve only this purpose, though, to avoid endless discussions about this and that demo).
One last word on anonymous voting: for me, I just feel more free to vote anonymously (and, yes, fair), because I just want to avoid any hurt personal feelings, and to avoid those discussions Yazoo was pointing out. Would I vote less if the anonymous voting disappeared? Probably yes.
Best regards,
Bugjam |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
Actually i'm in favor for keeping the votes. Do not underestimate the entertainment value of good old CSDb drama. |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
I have two words for you, misters:
fuck
you |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
Quote: I have two words for you, misters:
fuck
you
That was not anonymous! Oh noes... Jailbird, prepare for heaps of emails!!!! :P |
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