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Sander
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 496 |
An update on ‘Pixel art in the C64 demoscene’
Dear fellow sceners,
In response to the comments we received, we’ve made some changes to the document.
Our goal was always to find common ground to maintain the fun and integrity of our hobby.
What this is not:
- It’s not written to limit anyone (only to encourage openness)
- It’s not aimed at specific individuals (it’s a scene wide practice)
Read the document here
We’d really love to hear your thoughts on this update.
Please post them in this thread, be kind and keep it constructive and on-topic please. |
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acrouzet
Registered: May 2020
Posts: 97 |
Just goes to show that ChatGPT/AI still isn't great at automating information and creativity (in this case, expressing your thoughts through information as a contribution to a creative work/argument). |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
I'd still like to know how all this applies to gfx in demos. That's what spawned the wall of outcry afterall. You guys don't expect that "we" mention every single original artist, in case we convert whatever from the internet, do you? |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
Quote: Just goes to show that ChatGPT/AI still isn't great at automating information and creativity (in this case, expressing your thoughts through information as a contribution to a creative work/argument).
Absolutely. I try from time to time to past my text there and ask to correct grammar and stylistic mistaked, but most of the time I end up with my original crap. It's just too flamboyant in general setting, and I don't feel like tweaking it. |
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acrouzet
Registered: May 2020
Posts: 97 |
Quote: I'd still like to know how all this applies to gfx in demos. That's what spawned the wall of outcry afterall. You guys don't expect that "we" mention every single original artist, in case we convert whatever from the internet, do you?
I believe it was an artist using AI without mentioning it? I think we're just asking that people who want to use AI be transparent about it at least. |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285 |
Quote:… mention every single original artist, in case we convert whatever from the internet…
Nah, just attribute it to AI ;-) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
Quote:I think we're just asking that people who want to use AI be transparent about it at least.
In demos? |
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acrouzet
Registered: May 2020
Posts: 97 |
Quote: Quote:I think we're just asking that people who want to use AI be transparent about it at least.
In demos?
Anywhere really. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
good luck |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
Quote: I'd still like to know how all this applies to gfx in demos. That's what spawned the wall of outcry afterall. You guys don't expect that "we" mention every single original artist, in case we convert whatever from the internet, do you?
Imagine you are making something like Batman demo. Everybody knows that you are acknowleding that it's about Batman so you aren't misattibuting anything and the inspiration is fully acknowledged and still I would expect that you at least try to include note or have it in final credits scroll. I know nobody thinks about it's importance, but look at it from the perspective of someone who wants to put your demo into national library of C64 art. Ok that's a long stretch.
Do you remember Electric speaking about making an exhibition of Finnish scene art and how they realized that due to the nature of selection of themes and sources, they had not much to choose from certain period (at least not without explanation). That's the problem. Either we start to accept that we aren't that isolated as we thought, or we still be just weirdos that can't be taken seriously.
Is it that hard ,after you make so beautiful and well polished production, to make a final "movie like" scroller with comnplete credits? That would not only look cool, but also give even more weight to the production. It's not that bad to think about c64 productions this way. In my opinion. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
I don't see the problem really. Demos are not for museums. And i don't care if general arts takes them seriously. Or anyone else really. (And i am sure a lot of sceners will agree)
THAT is the "problem" we are discussing here? Really? |
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