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Conrad
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 849 |
The sid stealing continues! ...
... and this times it's not Timberland, but Frankmusik:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWDLsuPK280&feature=related
Jeff/ViruZ identified at 2:20 that it's his "caste camelot.sid" playing right there in the new release "3 Little Words"!
Frankmus(uck)'s myspace channel: http://www.myspace.com/frankmusik
I'm really ashamed of my people! :/ |
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Tim
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Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 467 |
PAL, if you want another track to play on a good bass set-up, here's a raw track:
http://www.c64.org/HVSC/MUSICIANS/R/Randy/Shake_n_Bounce.sid
I don't totally agree with you that sid sounds awful to the plain ear, but ..yes.. being selective in what you have to play to a non-c64 audience is certainly true ;)
On topic: well, I have to agree with Adam actually, although I would have chosen some softer words to express myself ;)
And as for this comment "..the old greats did steal alot too... and for their work to return to traditional recording artists again is just ending or continuing a loop for me.."
Does that make it good/better?
Well.. for the old days Ill way as an argument that stealing an arrangement for this new thing -the computer- was very unlikely to be seen as stealing at all, in fact Im sure that many of us picked up their first piano (or alike) books and punched in easy tunes from sheetmusic to c64 as one of the first things whilst starting on sids.
On the other hand, if Hubbard (or others) would do similar today in these times, I would certainly shout SHAME ON YOU quite loudly. So how about lets say the times change and we learned that computers have made a big impact on all of our lives?
In my views.. stealing in the sense of being inspired by someones work and re-producing it with an own touch.. well, that's fine.. no need to credit people on every single bit you do, but nice if you could name some in an interview for instance as inspiration.. but then really re-produce! For example learn how to compose on sid if you like that sound and recreate in an own sid. It takes forever sometimes to make something work. Sample that.. and I have no problem. Anything else is theft in my honnest opinion.
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MAC
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Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 40 |
I agree with PAL about the sid-incompatibility for normal peoples ears and that it has to be
mixed with studio sound to ease the pain for them. :)
Sometimes when i have played some sid tunes over the amp, my brother has complained.
He said that some sounds are to high for him and hurt in his ears and he even is familiar with sid-sound,
but obviously not enough to listen to it like any other music.
It seems that for "normal" ears the sid sound is to sharp and rude, especially when played loud over an hifi-system.
Most people are used to hear music that was processed in the studio to make it sound likeable and to hurt nobodys feelings. :)
About the "old greats", they borrowed a melody or made cover versions of popular songs of that time.
I bet they had alot of fun to convert their favourite song just to hear how it would sound like on the sid chip.
I think thats far away from stealing. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
the Great Old Ones who lived ages before there were any men, and who came to the young world out of the sky. Those Old Ones were gone now, inside the earth and under the sea; but their dead bodies had told their secrets in dreams to the first men, who formed a cult which had never died. |
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PAL
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 292 |
Stealing or borrowing, well it is the same... really... it is like alot of us graphic artist replicating images that do appeal to us... we could paint our own and go for that or we can work with images and elements that are done by others and alter them or use them in our own original artwork. that is life and that is the way the world turns around... it would be stupid to do all from start and all original in let us say an image or a song that is to be something that were shown in the past and people know what is... example... I once did my own version of a boris valeio image, it is a different image but the character is the same as in the original eather way one look at it. I did a great job on that and it was horrible amount of hours into my image to make it shine on the c64... I think that it is cool and my image now... but I always know where it came from and most that see it does so to... if you want to make a bowie song on the c64, something we have heard in the last crest demo... it would just be plain silly to not be abit true to the original... to be true to the original is actually what makes it great on the c64...(togehter with the incredible cool and in my mind improved bass and beat) if one had alter much here and there it would be something almost there and worse because of it, strange maybe to the ones knowing the original, and to the ones not knowing I guess they would as we did in the past be abit let down when we got to know where it was taken from and just altered some... I do not know totally here but that is my thoughts..
Then you have the last one from the shape demo that in my ears are not a replica, it is my friend geirs song, and that is cool too... very cool indeed and almost more worthy in a way. but still it is about the final result beeing good... if it is it gets away with alot to me.
About my earlier posts, well there is a reason why sid tunes is not the best known instrumental or digital music in the world, it is because the sid chip is awful to the untrained ear in most cases. some just love it right away and sees the quality in the unpolished soundaries or tones(hey I think those people are called the sceners?)... but really... sound quality is not state of the art and has never been as we all know, but on the otherhand it just might be as it is different. Different in this fashin like the c64 is hard to sell to the masses. When we, alot of us, fell in love with the machine in the 80s it were other reasons that got us to listen to it and get used to the universe and the boundries of the machine. It were something different and other than putting on an album or listening to mtv and so on. And it were peak technology for a home computer, something totally new and interesting, the ultimate toy.
I love graphics and music and art and demos and games on the c64, they are for me the best still today. I get more from them... that is just how I am today and I guess my childhood and teen years just molded me that way.
PAL
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NecroPolo
Registered: Jun 2009
Posts: 231 |
Quote: That is a thing I can not understand.
Who can anybody DON´T like the wonderful sound of the sidchip?
The sound is like candy for the ears. so sweet sound...
How someone can hate metal? Or, techno? People just like that ;)
In case of SID chip, it's quite a special case. The pure sound is quite incompatible with non-C64 people.
- If you release a SID that had weeks / months of hard work, has a flawless arrangement, great musical content care of detail and it's rather a piece of art than a piece of music: non-C64 people will BEG for you to turn it off.
- if you sample some parts and add some overly typical, deadly boring and stupid electro beats in 10 minutes and use arrangement that all the 10.000.000.000.000.000.000 mindless dance poooop songs have, people will say "WOW what wonderful analogue synth music, did you use some cool vintage synth for that? WOW cool rhythm. WOW cool music."
- if you add some sexy chick, stoopid lyrics and a good lawyer to the production pack: you're called Timbaland, earn millions and therefore don't give a crap of what the remaining C64 people think. All you have to do is to count the money, totally blow Chris Cornell albums sometimes and live a happy life. |
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MAC
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Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 40 |
Quite some text you wrote there PAL, but i'm not sure if i really got your point.
Well, there is a difference when a musician in the 80s takes, say the chorus from a pop song and put it in his sid for game xyz or nowadays some guy takes a sample from an old game and makes it a huge hit, earns a lot of money and gets known.
The perfect example for stealing is what Timbaland has done, to take a whole ready-made piece of music that nobody knows, from what he thinks nobody would care about, build some shit around it, giving no credits, thereby claims it is from him.
I myself prefer original artworks too, but i surely appreciate a good sid-cover version of a song i like.
Same with a pic, as long it's not wired. This is not stealing!
Its all about the act to reproduce this particular tune/pic on the C64 as close to the original as possible and maybe also give some spice from you to it.
In the 80s it was something special to hear a familiar melody playing from the computer, the same like when the computer talked, maybe thats the reason why they often reproduced known melodies.
But i feel that this discussion is going nowhere anyway... |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
Quote:Same with a pic, as long it's not wired. This is not stealing!
how does the way you are stealing things make stealing not stealing ? are you saying "wiring" is more stealing than 80s style transfering with a grid? |
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MAC
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Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 40 |
I just say that i wouldn't consider it stealing when someone converts a photo or whatever by setting every single pixel by hand in a paint program instead of letting it convert by some pc program. That's obvious. |
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rc55
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Registered: Jul 2008
Posts: 4 |
Hi, I'm rc55. I organise the UK Demoscene party "Sundown" which some of you may have heard of, and recently I met Frankmusik at a festival and he seemed like a pretty nice chap.
I have subsequently become friends with him on Facebook and we have exchanged a few messages - if anyone does want to give him a nudge, I don't mind sending him a message directly on their behalf.
I haven't had time to read through this entire thread, but I'm just throwing it out there... |
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Soren
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 547 |
rc55: private message sent :-) |
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