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odo
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PW in SDI
Hi i want to know is there a way to change the pw in the tracker with command or a other way to set the pw of every note.A kind of lfo with no start point.
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SIDWAVE
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Uh..
set new pulse program, by setting another instrument nr.
a pulse program can be more than 1 line, it can be as long as you want.
im afraid its tied to an instrument.
to use a pulse program, you must use the instrument tied to it.
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SIDWAVE
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you can do anything you want with the pulse, provided you know how to program the pulse table.
im guessing you want to change the pulse to something, in the middle of something...
well, you can f.ex do this:
waaaauuuuuuuung (a pulse) + weep weep wup!
in the same pulse program.
just make it more lines..
or if you send me your worktune, and explain what you wanna do, i can try and do it, and explain what i did :D |
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NecroPolo
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///off-topic
Quoting Jan Harries(...) and explain what you wanna do, i can try and do it, and explain what i did :D
THAT sentence ;DDDDDD |
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Fredrik
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Odo. I know what you mean. In cybertracker, it is possible to change the pulse in the tracker. But i have not seen it in sdi. You must do it like Jan said.
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GT
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Nobody reads the manuals anymore. :)
Add $40 to the instrument's pulseprogram and it will become continous on all notes.
Jan, know the facts before you give advice. |
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Fredrik
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Thanx Geir, I did not know that function.
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odo
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HI i was away for some days
(Add $40 to the instrument's pulseprogram and it will become continous on all notes.)
Can you give me an example ? i think i'm doing some thing wrong :(
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SIDWAVE
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adding $40 to pulse program, does not set the PW to what he wants at any time he wants. the pulse prog has to be timed, and use more lines to do that anyway.
he ask to set PW anytime he wants, and the only way to do it is to start a pulseprog with the width he wants, at the time he wants (using a new instrument) OR time the happening by timing a contiguous pulse (+$40) :D
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SIDWAVE
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Quote: HI i was away for some days
(Add $40 to the instrument's pulseprogram and it will become continous on all notes.)
Can you give me an example ? i think i'm doing some thing wrong :(
Odo:
pulse prog: 07
write 47 instead.. |
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booker
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Quoting odoHI i was away for some days
(Add $40 to the instrument's pulseprogram and it will become continous on all notes.)
Can you give me an example ? i think i'm doing some thing wrong :(
Try to load this snapshot into Vice. Look for the flashing cursor. Change 4 there to C or 0.
Is that what you're looking for? |
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odo
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Hi Jan it works thanks for all your the help
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GT
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*sigh*
Anyone using the onscreen pulse information ?
Use Future Composer v1.0 |
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NecroPolo
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Quoting GeirUse Future Composer v1.0
LOL now THAT is some serious higs horse attitude and support towards users from the developer :)
People rarely use all the features of things and even less rarely start to handle things perfectly just after learning the manuals. Maybe, everything is obvious for the insider developer - surely not so obvious for outsiders, even if experienced. Users are not perfect but they keep alive the actual object, right? :)
Another odd thing: Jan is known of being one of the most faithful and skilled users of SDI who just tried to understand the problem and practically help (and as it seems he gave an useful field-test advice). I really can't understand your bad-ass-day reaction for him. I guess he knows all of them facts well.
odo: listen to the man, Future Composer is fun as well - but why don't you try GoatTracker2.x instead? SDI is great indeed, it is the most advanced and flexible SID composing tool to date, no doubt - but GT is more than capable of producing compo-winner hi-fi sounds, too (proven), not to mention friendly support... |
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cadaver
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About GoatTracker2: if you don't exactly stretch its capabilities to the limit and 1x is enough for you, you can also make most of the same sounds with NinjaTracker2 on native C64 .. for far less rastertime :) |
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odo
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Goattracker is fun but i make my (music) on a real c64.
It's next to my pc :)
I gonna try Future Composer
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Fredrik
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Odo, have you made some tunes we can listen to?
I am curious
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odo
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I just make music for the fun and i'm not very good but here a tune
http://members.tele2.nl/mrdehaar/sids/the.sid |
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Fredrik
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It was not bad. I enjoyed the tune!
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THE TEA DRINKER
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well I actually like that tune odo, is that made with SDI or future composer? |
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odo
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Thanks yes it was made in SDI :) |
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SIDWAVE
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Odo: the tune reminds of Delta title (Kooyanisqatsi)..
Future Composer will waste your time into a poor product :D
Cadaver: i made a tune with Ninjatracker some weeks ago, to try the editor out. I found that the vibrato routine is limited or not working as expected.. and i ran into the $FF steps limit :D (for all 3 voices combined)
for various reasons, i can't recommend this editor. however it has some interesting features, like showing instrument name in sequence, and the duration/notelength possibilities, to make grooves.
at some point i managed to make something, which was totally impossible to sync, so i lost track where i had reached in each of the 3 step pointers, so i had to give up that experiment :D |
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GT
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ahh.. forget it... (still, read post#6) :D
Didn't create SDI to do support. It's just a personal editor in the first place.
Look at your reactions. Scene? How serious you people are. Thinking a creator of some application on a C-64 will give you full support like it should be Cubase or something? LOL. Go make some music instead. Doesn't matter which program you use actually. Goattracker for making #1 hits? You kidding me? LOL.OMG.
Brain+talent+taste = hit. But it is subjective (depends on your taste). :)
Quite funny you guys, but it has its charm too. ;-)
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booker
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And that's the point. You can beat Linus's and Jammer's GT instruments with FC v1 in NO TIME :D |
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Jammer
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scene, eh. it's always amazing how seemingly basic and demanding simple solution topics evolve into gay dick waggling XD |
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NecroPolo
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@Jammer: The place was quite sleepy, anyway - so enjoy the show :)
@Geir: Man... As it seems my English sucks beyond imagination :) My bad!
Anyway, even considering that and the performance of my obviously limited mind and expression + wrong use of language, still, I really could not figure out what part of which sentence in my comment had suggested that you suggested that I was suggesting, such as: "usings GT alone ensures success!!!" or "lovechild C64 editors must have pro-grade support for users!!!".
Fact: answering simple questions without calling folks stoopid in sophisticated ways is GOOD. 4 ex: I'm dumb as a stick because I could not figure out all things by myself, aye, indeed. So I had some rather stupid questions to Cadaver considering his editors some time ago - well, I was not talked down from godly height, or directed towards Kawasaki Rhythm Rocker...
We are all sitting on a sandpile in the kindergarten that is smaller than it used to be. I threw you with a toy because I did not like that you blew sand in the face of some kiddos and called them stupid who just tried to climb up one step on the pile where you're sitting on the top and see the full landscape. We are bad. Your general view of fellow kiddos won't change and I really enjoy throwing toys at folks whenever I don't like something then watching the reaction. We won't change. Never growing up.
Quoting GeirGo make some music instead.
Made my day :)
Facts, aye... |
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Linus
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Quote: scene, eh. it's always amazing how seemingly basic and demanding simple solution topics evolve into gay dick waggling XD
Quote:And that's the point. You can beat Linus's and Jammer's GT instruments with FC v1 in NO TIME :D
Nah, our dicks are bigger than yours! |
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Jammer
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Quoting LinusQuote:And that's the point. You can beat Linus's and Jammer's GT instruments with FC v1 in NO TIME :D
Nah, our dicks are bigger than yours!
we control the spice! \o/ |
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SIDWAVE
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Geir: where were you in the 90s ?
That's when we got used to registering small cheap shitty programs, and writing long letters to the creator, to improve his tool. Shareware was born, and from then on, we could always depend that the creator would give support!
And on the other side, i know, people are lazy fuckers.
They dont read the manual, and they dont experiment, before asking. No, ask first, get it all served on a platter for you, cut some corners.
The endless download of meaningless free software, games, music, porn, from the internet, has turned people into this - a lazy fuck! i know i know :D |
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SIDWAVE
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example: endless idiots asking for a program to show their koala pic, or play a tune...
But we help those people. why ?????
Personally i help 'lamers' or these annying noobs, because it gives me a feeling that i can pass on a little of my C64 knowledge to a noob, thus extending my own life - like if i got a kid and had to teach him to ride a bike.
I dont know why you do it... |
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SIDWAVE
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Back on topic!:
Who is first to create a pulse program, that does this:
1. tune runs in speed 2 (82)
2. pulse goes 4 ticks (16 notes): something that is moving
3. then pulse goes completely stable, only 1 value, for 4 ticks (16 notes) - then loop to 2.
Geir is not allowed to say anything, or participate. :D
Dont ask any questions, just do this test, then when its working, post your pulse table here. (or tune example) |
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robozz
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Quoting Jan HarriesBack on topic!:
Who is first to create a pulse program, that does this:
1. tune runs in speed 2 (82)
2. pulse goes 4 ticks (16 notes): something that is moving
3. then pulse goes completely stable, only 1 value, for 4 ticks (16 notes) - then loop to 2.
Is this what you're asking for?
PULSE
01: 04 48 30 02
02: 01 00 30 81
the hard part was not to create the pulse, but to try to understand what "ticks" means... :) |
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robozz
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Wouldn't it be more useful to have the pulse program behave just like the filter program?
instead of 81-8f controlling pulse high (well actually it's all values 81-ff)
you could restart the pulse when you set instrument just like you can with the filter program (what is known in the manual as "filter sweep infinite mode 2") |
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odo
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Geir
I read the manual but some parts i didn't understand.Thanks for making this beautiful software |
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booker
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Em, not being bitchy here but.... Isn't the manual actually bit messy/not too correct as to how pu/flt programs works? ;) |
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SIDWAVE
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Robozz: great, you did it :D
Booker: yes in the manual, GRG has switched around on some bytes, so you have to fight like a madman to get it working :D
I think some thread, Devia writes how the puls/filt bytes REALLY are.. maybe the SDI 2.0 thread.. :D
F.ex i could never get the pulse HOLD function to work, as described in the manual.. I asked geir in a mail, which he never answered :D |
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NecroPolo
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Quoting Jan HarriesBooker: yes in the manual, GRG has switched around on some bytes, so you have to fight like a madman to get it working :D
I think some thread, Devia writes how the puls/filt bytes REALLY are.. maybe the SDI 2.0 thread.. :D
F.ex i could never get the pulse HOLD function to work, as described in the manual.. I asked geir in a mail, which he never answered :D
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
No comment... |
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GT
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It is described in the manual, the pulse hold. And it works. I can't remember that email Jan, just way too many I've answered during the time. Just to answer a little thing, during the 90's SDI was programmed. It was done in three months in 1996 (the source of GT-Editor, not to be confused with Goattracker,LOL). Then in 1997 I gave it to GRG. Then it got released sometime...
The examples in the SDI 2.0 Manual should work. There is some Pulse and Filter things GRG didn't know of. That's the only thing missing in the manual. Just a nybble/direction thing, some bit checks.
Take care guys. SDI V3 or whatever it will be called, will have a proper manual. GRG and I are working on it now and then, when we don't have kids around.
@Necropolo, you don't use SDI, do you ? |
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GT
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Quote: Quoting GeirUse Future Composer v1.0
LOL now THAT is some serious higs horse attitude and support towards users from the developer :)
People rarely use all the features of things and even less rarely start to handle things perfectly just after learning the manuals. Maybe, everything is obvious for the insider developer - surely not so obvious for outsiders, even if experienced. Users are not perfect but they keep alive the actual object, right? :)
Another odd thing: Jan is known of being one of the most faithful and skilled users of SDI who just tried to understand the problem and practically help (and as it seems he gave an useful field-test advice). I really can't understand your bad-ass-day reaction for him. I guess he knows all of them facts well.
odo: listen to the man, Future Composer is fun as well - but why don't you try GoatTracker2.x instead? SDI is great indeed, it is the most advanced and flexible SID composing tool to date, no doubt - but GT is more than capable of producing compo-winner hi-fi sounds, too (proven), not to mention friendly support...
What was all this good for ?
You don't have any sence of humour when I say "Use Future Composer V1.0" ?
Amazing. Read your posts in this thread. There is nothing useful to read for SDI users. Just bullshit. No offence.
Ref: SDI 2.0 manual. Answers all the on-topic questions in this thread.
Best and healthy wishes from,
Geir. |
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NecroPolo
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@Geir: No, at least haven't released a tune done with it. Done some test rides with it as well as many other SID editors/trackers (old and new). SDI is an impressive tool. I bet 3.0 will contain many pioneering things. |
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NecroPolo
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Quoting GeirWhat was all this good for ?
You don't have any sence of humour when I say "Use Future Composer V1.0" ?
Amazing. Read your posts in this thread. There is nothing useful to read for SDI users. Just bullshit. No offence.
Ref: SDI 2.0 manual. Answers all the on-topic questions in this thread.
Best and healthy wishes from,
Geir.
What healthy is "healthy"? :)
Okay, what was that good for...
If you put your hands on your heart and say it was addressed as a joke of some kind, please take my sincere apologies.
It rather sounded like a cleverly wrapped "Aw, hell... Y'all, bloody stoopid. Go use some old shit editor instread."
Why would that piss off someone and post off-topic crap?
Before answering that, some solid facts:
1. You're one of the best music coders, very few could go that far with SID knowledge.
2. You're one hell of a composer with a fabulous past and and line of SIDs.
3. In the present scene everyone seems to be very respectful to you and your talent. I don't know about the past (group fights, personal push-pulls, whatsoever) but I can see that in the present, for sure.
So, I was thinking when I started typing: why the hell can someone like you fart in the face of people who respect you...?
Again: if I got it wrong then shooting straight, no sarcasm, no hidden minigames: take my apologies, man.
NP |
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DRAX
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Hey Geir - you grumpy old man ;) ... |
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chatGPZ
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Quote:why the hell can someone like you fart in the face of people who respect you...?
typical sign of love from a scandinavian :o) |
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Devia
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Geir, you can filter-fart in my face anytime!
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Frantic
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Rule #1: Never release your music editors to the public.
;) |
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SIDWAVE
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Quote: Rule #1: Never release your music editors to the public.
;)
That's so 1987.. |
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GT
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Quote: Rule #1: Never release your music editors to the public.
;)
:)
That's the best advice I've got in a long time. SDI wasn't ment for the public.
@Devia, I'll filter-fart 11-bits shit all over you. ;-) |
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GT
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By the way.. Iron Maiden is coming out with a new album this summer. YES ! |
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Linus
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Don´t forget to mention the latest posthumous Hendrix release from early march featuring an excellent "Red House" rendition.
Yeah! |
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Hate Bush
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...and the new Ariel Pink & Haunted Graffiti album, coming out in June. |
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booker
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Quoting FranticRule #1: Never release your music editors to the public.
;)
Rule #2 - and even more neither the tunes.
:) |
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Stone
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Quoting LinusDon´t forget to mention the latest posthumous Hendrix release from early march featuring an excellent "Red House" rendition.
Yeah!
You have excellent taste, sir! "Red House" is quite possibly the coolest blues song ever.
Back on topic, threads like this make me glad I've never released my own editor.. I think I'd be out of hair to pull by now. |
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Linus
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Call me silly, but I prefer Belly Button Window over Red House anytime ;)
So ... if you don´t like me no more, I know your sister will! |
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Stone
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That's all right, I've still got my guitar |
