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Flavioweb
Registered: Nov 2011
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First intro ever?
What is the very first intro ever released? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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that raises the question "what exactly qualifies as an intro?"
besides that, Berlin Cracking Service claim BCS Intro was the first intro - which is a bit dubious however (see the entry). |
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Medicus
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 43 |
Wouldn't an intro be a program that can be extracted and also work standalone?
Changing of texts within a game can not really be called an intro if you are referring to that, Groepaz!? :) |
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SIDWAVE
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To my knowledge, the first intros are something like: BERT intro, and GCS with 3 moving sprites. before these came, there was just a textscreen or nothing. for example i had 200+ games that just said "sys 2065 ABC" in the basic line, before i even saw an "intro".
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote:Wouldn't an intro be a program that can be extracted and also work standalone?
Changing of texts within a game can not really be called an intro if you are referring to that, Groepaz!? :)
but what about a simple text screen that comes before the game? tricky, imho :) |
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Rough
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I know you're talking 64, but first intros at all were used on Apple II. |
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Mason
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 461 |
The first intro is the GCS intro with the german coloured sprites.
The intro from Danish Crackers with the scroll should be the first EOR'ed intro |
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ΛΛdZ
Registered: Jul 2005
Posts: 153 |
Some years ago Skylab and I was
talking about this question of what intro really was the
first ever used on a C64. He talked with several of the old
sceners active from 83-84 all were pointing to the same intro.
He asked me to get hold of the first cracker of Denmark and
ask him about it. That is ofcos PMK (later known as The Wizard / Danish Crackers).
PMK said it was the German Cracking Service intro with the three sprites "GCS".
Which were the same answer as Skylab
had got confirmed from other old crackers. I guess it is
pretty safe to conclude that it is correct - validated from
different sources as they all pointed to the same intro.
The first Danish intro was - no suprise - made by PMK who
was inspired by the GCS intro shortly after.
* and by intro is meant a graphical intro - not just a blank screen with some text.
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
There is no first intro ever.
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
Who'll make the last intro ever? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
and who will NTSC fix it? |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
:D |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2925 |
Quote: and who will NTSC fix it?
Maybe Lucifer will fix it, he seems to have a lot of fixing credits and didn't have a clue how to code or fix. :D
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macx
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 254 |
In this interview from VN#46, ALiEN (ALN, ALN'61) of Plutonium Crackers 2001, claims it was Berlin Cracking Service in 1982 (8th question):
http://allt.jonatanforsberg.net/krams/c64/46alien-pcinterview.h.. |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
An excerpt from my Cracker's Map article:
Some people claimed that they first saw BCS and this intro in 1982 however it was in fact used much later. This was concluded when the picture was discovered to be in Paint Magic format which did not appear until 1983 (released by JEDI). It is true that BCS have been around in the very early days - no question - but they are not as magical as some would think, not only due to the intro-farcical, but also due to the recracks that took place. It is unconfirmed but it appears a hoax took place as "the intro" was only used on recracks. Some examples:
Pitfall II -> recrack of the OTD/Jedi Version (check $0812 - JEDI's depack routine), River Raid -> recrack of the Antiprotect version (just changed the sysline), Poster Paster -> recrack of the NOVA/Crackman Crew version (just changed the sysline and the in-game text) and The Heist -> recrack of the JEDI release (check depacker code at $0812 with OTD's version of H.E.R.O) |
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Fred
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 285 |
I remember seeing this intro from ABC Crackings: Bear George
It's set as 1983 but I don't know if that is true since ABC Crackings is founded in 1984 apparently. |
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Rough
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That surely isn't true, the game was published in 1984. |
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Sixx
Registered: May 2005
Posts: 229 |
The first great intro IMHO is this one: ABC Crackings Intro
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Sorex
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Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 43 |
this is funny, last week Lemming showed me an old FIG demo that had some rasters. I asked since when rasters became a standard thing in demo's and intro's and suddenly I remembered Anti-ROM's Dutch raster flag "intro" so I went looking for it.
There appears to be a modded version from 83? (Lode Runner) and the first real one listed is from 84 (Valhalla), do those count as a real intro aswell since it's using those steady rasters which was very rare back then? |
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Rough
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The crack Lode Runner/Anti-Rom is very very probably from 1984 as well as US games took a while over the ocean back in the days. Some should upload a proper crack as the one in the db is a re-crack by some German lamer. |
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bugjam
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 2583 |
Quote: That surely isn't true, the game was published in 1984.
Sure? GB says 1983, but they might be wrong of course.
And yes, the original AntiROM release of Lode Runner would be nice to have here! |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
Shouldn't be so difficult to restore the changed version. |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1787 |
Cream Crackers Intro (static text) is presumably from 1983 as well. It is only a text line but it moves in a raster synchronized fashion.
EDIT: Hmm, the one on intros.c64.org didn't move. Maybe I misremembered? I could have sworn I've seen one that scrolls up... |
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Rough
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Registered: Feb 2002
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Quoting bugjamSure? GB says 1983, but they might be wrong of course.
They are wrong. Comes naturally with such a large database.
This often happens with games which are programmed in the later part of a year, producing process takes a while til it hits the market and the copyright hint remains the old one. |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
Quote: Cream Crackers Intro (static text) is presumably from 1983 as well. It is only a text line but it moves in a raster synchronized fashion.
EDIT: Hmm, the one on intros.c64.org didn't move. Maybe I misremembered? I could have sworn I've seen one that scrolls up...
I've only seen the static one. |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1787 |
Quoting ZyronI've only seen the static one.
Apparently the moving one is on here: Mario Bros |
