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Codey
Registered: Oct 2005
Posts: 79 |
Deus Ex Machina >> Edge of Disgrace
deus ex machina was more impressive and had more of an impact in 2000 than EoD did this year. i firmly believe a production should be judged against the era it was released. don't make me revisit the whole wonderland and larch series for greatest demo of all time. no disrespect to EoD or pearls for pigs. both excellent productions, but getting way too many votes compared to earlier productions. |
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Dane
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Registered: May 2002
Posts: 421 |
Some people like apples, others prefer oranges. |
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algorithm
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 705 |
Its unfair to compare EOD to Dutch Breeze.
Bear in mind when the Dutch Breeze demo was created. Not able to cross develop properly and the demo's previously before that era (eg raster bars etc)
It sure created a big impact
Now there is Edge of Disgrace which is a great demo, very polished. If you were to compare the two side by side without taking into regards when they were produced, Then EOD would obviously come up on tops
What you need to compare of what is the great demo is how much of a wow factor it had given at the time.
From the Era of raster bar demo's to Dutch breeze
or from the era of trackloaders to a very polished trackloader such as EOD
Bear in mind that Dutch breeze even though some people class it as a graphic show did many things in the background which as far as i am aware no other demo did. eg LZ in memory decompression of images in the background while demo is running etc as well as the smoothness and originality of all this allowing lots more data to be crammed into each section.
Demo's like EOD are great because it is now the standard benchmark of how demo's should be and should motivate coders to release something as good or better similar to the time when dutch breeze was released
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Soren
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 547 |
and some people even like bananas :-) |
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Ymgve
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 84 |
It's strange that some of the demos that impressed me the most in the past have been absent from the discussion.
Red Storm/Triad - showed me that a demo could be more than a collection of parts, it had a theme. Also, I think it might have been one of the first to get rid of pressing space.
The Reflex demos - made demos more "modern" - more advanced effects while loading, no more than a few seconds spent on every effect, fast soundtracks. It was an experience different from any other demos I'd seen. |
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QuasaR
Registered: Dec 2001
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Ymgve, you're speaking from my heart. I still haven't seen EoD (since I don't like to see this beast on emulator and my C128 is at my parents) but I think it's very useless to discuss style or design since everybody has another taste and sees things different. One has also to consider that we're all (more or less) grown up and so the overall impression of a demo is different to the days when we were little nerds waiting for the next mail from our favorite contact to get the newest demos.
The only thing one can discuss is the technical side how sophisticated is the code. But even there's a difference, some ppl get crazy over Cruzer mini-winnie demos in 256bytes others like to see the next FLI-mode another one like to see 25 ora-dycps.
I think Sander and algorithm said it best that there's no "best" demo but most influential or with the greatest wow-factor. Maybe we should name it "most wowing demos" instead of "Top Demos" here in CSDB... ;) |
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chancer
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 346 |
it's all subjective.. and we all have things from different times which made us think WTF the first time we ran them...
trick is if they stay in the memory years later or not.. that's the true test for me =)
I think we are all the same in that respect.
even if your one of the people listed in the top 10's... they all have influences from previous times/demos/people whose work they liked.
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2969 |
What a retarded thread. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
I think Codey is Graham in undercover :) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
i miss optimus in this thread :) |
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
Hey, didn't we discuss this before?
Hey, didn't we discuss this before?
Okay Codey: here's my two cents: EoD & Deus Ex both suck, hoorray for Dutch Breeze. ;) |
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