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Fred
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 285 |
Handle id #16147 : Jim Butterfield
Why is the entry for Jim Butterfield actually removed from CSDb?
Reason found is: "cant remove myself as maintainer from deleted entries"
What is that for a reason? Shall I recreate Jim Butterfield? I've found more releases by him. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
because he wasnt a scener, i guess |
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Six
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 293 |
Sadly, some people only consider the "scene" to be what happens on the European side of the Atlantic.
Jim contributed as much to the C64 scene as anyone. Whoever deleted him is a dick of the first degree.
His books were the learning tool for dozens of coders. Everyone back in the day had copies of his software.
His TV appearances and activities in TPUG had a massive influence on the Canadian scene.
He regularly attended the only remaining North American gathering that has demo-scene attendees and demo releases up until his death.
His passing was marked by a number of tribute demos
Jim Butterfield deserves to be here, he's been a massive influence on (at least) the US and Canadian scene, and a hell of a great guy to boot. I'd wager whoever deleted him hasn't contributed a fraction of that. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
so we should also enter everyone who worked at data becker?
yeah go ahead, i dont give a fuck anymore.
oh, and it does have zero to do with usa vs europe. no idea why you would think that. |
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Fred
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 285 |
Jim Butterfield also published his tool Super Mon in the Compute Magazine in January 1983. I consider that as a scene release. Don't you? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
no, we dont add (non cracked) magazine releases either, as those are considered commercial |
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Six
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 293 |
Jim Butterfield is the guy who inspired a whole generation of scene coders, wrote demonstration programs that explained the basics of the VIC and SID, has been featured and mentioned in numerous demos, and in his later years went out of his way to attend what passes for a scene gathering in the US and Canada.
To compare someone of his obvious impact on the scene to some random employee at a software company is deliberately obtuse at best. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
so he basically did what eg the authors of "64intern" did - which pretty much played the same role here as jim butterfields stuff, so the comparison is quite fair.
however, all that matters is if he released non commercial stuff - what impact his commercial stuff had has no relevance here. |
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Six
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 293 |
Shall we delete all of the "sceners" who never released anything, then? Jim has 4 more entries on here than many people who aren't being contested. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
yes |
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bugjam
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 2593 |
If he attended scene meetings, that does give him already a sufficient relation to the scene, I would say. And I assume he also released some stuff as freeware? That might be another argument.
I'd vote for restoring. |
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Six
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 293 |
I admit, he's in the same category as Jeri Ellsworth, Jens Schoenfeld, and Peter Wendrich - people who have contributed to the scene directly and deliberately, but who never took on handles and started groups.
Still, the man is legendary, had a major influence on many, many sceners, and has been the subject of and had his likeness appear in many demos. He's worked on commercial software, aye, but he's also released plenty of free software (copy/all comes to mind.)
ECCC, C4, WoC, these are the events in the US and Canada that you find sceners attending (Especially ECCC), and Jim attended all of them up until his death. |
