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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 488 |
Release id #192733 : Space Invasion
Was this really an officially sold game or an unofficial hack?
Edit: OK, found the answer by myself. It's the graphically reworked version of Commando to prevent public sales ban in Germany aka "Indizierung", which did not work as expected because this version was put on the "Index" as well. |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2982 |
Afaik, putting a game on the index, in Germany, meant and still means that sale to adults (18+) is allowed, but no advertisement whatsoever. Stuff is sold from under the table, so to speak. =)
But games like "Wolfenstein" were actually banned via court decision, on other legal grounds. |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1791 |
Quoting KrillBut games like "Wolfenstein" were actually banned via court decision, on other legal grounds.
The original one by M.U.S.E? Was the Id software 3D remake also banned? |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2982 |
I referred to "Wolfenstein 3D" by id Software, not "Castle Wolfenstein" and its sequel.
But the latter (or at least the first game) were "only" put on the index. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11391 |
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veräußerungsverbot (it's complicated :)) |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1791 |
Quoting Groepazhttps://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veräußerungsverbot (it's complicated :))
I see. :) I do understand some german, but legal text maybe not so much. |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2982 |
I guess the point that Groepaz is hinting at is that it's not a ban, officially, as censorship is forbidden by the constitution (which the Grundgesetz is in all but name).
Legally, offending assets are seized, such as media with content that violates the law, as ruled by court. |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1791 |
On the original topic, Commando isn't very offensive, is it? What was the reason for the ban? Violence? |
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Spinball
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 88 |
Back in the 80ies basicly every game that involved killing humans was put on the index. Even Blue Max was on the index ;) |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2982 |
I think the debate about "killer games" (mostly first-person shooters/shoot'em ups) is still popping up occasionally in media. :)
Just that today we find sprites composed of a few pixels comically unrealistic, while it was all they had in the 80s. =) |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2982 |
Quoting tlrOn the original topic, Commando isn't very offensive, is it? What was the reason for the ban? Violence? And yes, indeed. Still not a ban, but depiction of violence was frequently the reason to put games on the index as a means to protect the youth from adult-oriented content.
For a laugh, see here: https://www.c64-wiki.de/wiki/Indizierte_Computerspiele#Liste_eh.. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11391 |
Quote:On the original topic, Commando isn't very offensive, is it? What was the reason for the ban? Violence?
glorification of war. another game banned for the same reason: river raid =D |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4734 |
But Operation Wolf was ok? :D Can't see that one in the list. |
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Goat
Registered: Oct 2007
Posts: 43 |
The titles on that list are no longer restricted.
River Raid and other were checked again when Activision wanted to release them in compilations. Courts decided to free them then...
This list doesn't show the still indexed games... |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11391 |
Also the way this "banning" happens was (and still is!) quite strange. Unless noone complains at the authorities (BPjS), they will not check it, and banning will happen. Another interesting detail is that only the *exact* release that was checked is banned. Thats how certain cracked versions ended up in the official list :) |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2982 |
Quoting GroepazUnless noone complains at the authorities (BPjS), they will not check it, and banning will happen. Another interesting detail is that only the *exact* release that was checked is banned. Thats how certain cracked versions ended up in the official list :) The first sentence is a bit ambiguous. But i take it you mean banning will not happen by default, and only if anybody complains there will be a panel decision on whether to ban or not. Which is quite understandable, given that they cannot check each and every obscure title just in case. :) And the exact match thing is to avoid sweeping blanket bans, i guess. Also quite sensible. :) |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1791 |
Quoting Groepazglorification of war. another game banned for the same reason: river raid =D
From the list: "Das Spiel 'River Raid' ist geeignet, Kinder und Jugendliche sozialethisch zu desorientieren."
I wonder if that really was the original intention of Carol Shaw? :) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11391 |
"ist geeignet, Kinder und Jugendliche sozialethisch zu desorientieren."
like i needed river raid for that :o) |
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LuXuS
Registered: Aug 2013
Posts: 1 |
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