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2022-06-29 16:18
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11391
Release id #219154 : The Hitler Show

While i am totally pro preserving this kind of crap - perhaps we can have a "release only visible if logged in" flag?

(This must be a new low. wow)
2022-06-29 16:28
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1336
I kinda agree with Groepaz here - it's just pure shame, release should be maintained in biohazard suit and from solid distance to that :D
2022-06-29 16:54
Joe

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 229
I just love how "Say it SAM" simply doesn't work with the German language in this production.
It almost sound as bad as the Swedish chef from the Muppet Show to be honest.
Part from that: A flag or something, would be nice with this kind of shit!
2022-06-29 17:43
hedning

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4734
I’ll put it as download for logged in only for now.
2022-06-29 17:52
TheRyk

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2268
Yeah I thought about "Mark dirty" button but that's for screenshot - which is not the problem here.

But I like Groepaz' suggestion and set the flag "Make link visible for people not logged in".

I am also pro archiving this shit because it _is_ part of scene history and not archiving it would be damnatio memoriae or Pseudohistoy. But archiving is one thing, we definetely needn't spread it to people not logged in here including kids, Jews, Turks or anyone else who might take offence.

(was faster than hedning with flag and hedning was faster with posting)
2022-06-29 18:50
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11391
THAT flag was already set when i posted iirc :) I was thinking about a flag that goes further and makes the entry completely invisible (unless logged in)
2022-06-29 19:34
Count Zero

Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1940
Marked anyhow to prevent more indexing of the image.
2022-06-29 20:23
Mason

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 462
I wonder if it's a fake release
2022-06-30 20:01
ws

Registered: Apr 2012
Posts: 251
Isn't this even illegal to access/spread? In Germany for sure at least. Posession/spreading of things like this in germany could easily land you in jail, no matter how "old" it is.
2022-06-30 20:06
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11391
Even in germany it depends on the context.
2022-06-30 20:43
DeMOSic

Registered: Aug 2021
Posts: 126
Quote: Isn't this even illegal to access/spread? In Germany for sure at least. Posession/spreading of things like this in germany could easily land you in jail, no matter how "old" it is.

Then this should be deleted too :) Act of Revenge
2022-06-30 21:37
TheRyk

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2268
DeMOSic I set that flag "Is the link public (Visible to people not logged in)" of Act of Revenge to "NO", too.

Legal Situation in Germany: Our server and Perff are located in Denmark :P

Seriously this is not about panicking who will "end in jail" for uploading or archiving, this is a conflict between
a) preserving the scene including shit that belonged to it
b) the majority of our community being rather tolerant and open-minded and not wanting to even promote/spread such shit to people not even having an account

So I think, for the time being, the mark-dirty flag for screenshots plus the link not public _do_ work.

I also _understand_ if people prefer just to format such disks without archiving and upping, but as pointed out before, IMHO this would be pretending Nazi stuff did not exist in C=64 scene some 30/40 yrs ago. And that would simply be historically wrong.
2022-06-30 23:15
icon

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 90
Then we have this piece of shit:
Proud to Be German
2022-07-01 00:15
hedning

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4734
Quote: Isn't this even illegal to access/spread? In Germany for sure at least. Posession/spreading of things like this in germany could easily land you in jail, no matter how "old" it is.

If you are German, don't download it - if you do, it's your problem. Server is not in Germany, though.
2022-07-01 01:07
ws

Registered: Apr 2012
Posts: 251
It was not my intention to cause panic. I was merely asking and Groepaz's response (context) was very helpful in that regard. I don't know _all_ the laws, i just read about "Besitzverbot" (ban of posession) coincidally, the other day, and hateful/nazi media can actually result in serious legal trouble. I am not talking about old Handgrenades here, but for a specific example audio releases from the late 90s. And i forgot to add the question if there should be a warning or a restriction to not being able to DL in germany. Hedning answered that. Thanks. And now i shut up, who downloads that kind of disgusting crap anyways.
2022-07-01 08:03
Neo-Rio
Account closed

Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 63
Gamebase64 had the same issue with "Hitler Diktator"
It's not even in the database.
There is a version of it called Kohl Diktator which is exactly the same game but with all the nazi references removed.

Even the Castle Wolfenstein games are somewhat borderline for containing swastikas, but it's not outright promoting nazism like Hitler Diktator was.
2022-07-01 17:40
TheRyk

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2268
Quote: Then we have this piece of shit:
Proud to Be German


The only part showing a swastika is so hilarious that the release is not likely to turn anyone into a Nazi, rather it should embarrass the Nazis out there so much that they might change their mind.

Just by the way, the rest of the demo (apart from the irritating title) is rather harmless, even contains some 1988 state of the art code.

Having said that, I flagged download, anyway, just to go on Nazis' nerves (i.e. Nazis without account who search for swastikas here), not because I'm really afraid we're in more legal trouble with pixelled Swastikas than with downloads of warez.
2022-07-01 18:32
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11391
Quote:
There is a version of it called Kohl Diktator which is exactly the same game but with all the nazi references removed.

which is kinda funny, because it is a hack of "Der Imperator" by itself :)
2022-07-02 00:57
-trb-

Registered: May 2008
Posts: 9
While it's kinda funny to see links to stuff I never knew of before, I also fully agree with Groepaz here. This also reminds me that I didn't upload a release of a group called something like "NSDAP Softwarehaus" yet to not cause trouble.

FYI there are examples of swastikas around here on CSDb for years that should be fully compatible with German law as it guarantees to depict Nazi symbols e.g. in contexts of art and science. For example there's such a FLI picture by GBF/Crest in "Best of Crest III". (:

But I just wonder why there's no donwload for this (yes, questionable) release: Heil Hitler
2022-07-02 01:42
Moloch

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2929
download restored
2022-07-02 01:50
-trb-

Registered: May 2008
Posts: 9
Thanks Moloch!
2022-07-02 09:33
TheRyk

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2268
Of course it's NOT allowed to greet anyone with "Heil Hitler", anymore, in Germany, this will lead directly to being classified as ultra-right and monitored by secret services or even being punished. But just btw, the cross used in the release mentioned here by trb is not a swastika but a black cross/Iron Cross/Cross pattée used by German units since the Crusades and still used by the German army today.
2022-07-02 13:29
Count Zero

Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1940
Astonishingly lively discussion around things not deserving that much attention :)
2022-07-03 00:43
ws

Registered: Apr 2012
Posts: 251
Discussing such things is a good thing, is it not?

also:
https://www.juraforum.de/news/ist-der-hitlergruss-verboten-bzw-..
2022-07-03 03:03
Moloch

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2929
Not really

All of these releases will remain here as they're part of the C64 scene history

They will be hidden from public download

Nothing else to discuss? The politics of this sorta shit really isn't within the scope of CSDb.
2022-07-04 22:26
TheRyk

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2268
I'm with Moloch here.

It was OK to use this thread to report other releases of which no public download should be flagged.

But you could also click the "Discuss this release" link on the right of every single release entry in question to make us aware of such stuff.

Political debates with sceners can be done on Lemon or Forum64, they've got Offtopic areas with an army of moderators to... urhm... moderate or at least read such.

So, I rather close this one.
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