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MagerValp
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1078 |
Release id #47128 : Fuck of M$
Are these four wired pictures even scene releases? As far as I can tell they are just plain image conversions done with one of the available tools out there.
It's always nice to see new sceners, but *some* effort and creativity is needed - you have to at least *try*.
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
Yeah... that's what I meant with my comment at <release id=47131>. |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570 |
Delete them...fast! |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
Scout, you're remark shows how crippled the whole idea behind an open database with unclear rules and no upholders is. ;-)
In a broader perspective it shows why anarchy doesn't work. |
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Rough
Account closed
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
it's Fuck OfF
cant stand such writing mistakes
/grumpy old man |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570 |
Quote:It's always nice to see new sceners
Yeah right, I have WinVice, a conversiontool and I've added myself to CSDb...and now I am a scener.
/me sighs |
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stash
Account closed
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 343 |
@scout hahahahahahaha hihihihihi and a litle heheheheheh :)
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enthusi
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 677 |
Hum...
Those aint even good conversions.
Maybe a category or rather box "wired" for such gfx-entries would work? You cant decide what to ban and what to just let go. Im ok with i.e. masterpieces as a form of demonstration.
What about all those recent gfx-releases last winter? All due to Timanthes, P1 etc. Conversion, "hand"pixeled or not - they sure cant be compared to pre 90 stuff... Also, they are "wired" technically.
It's all a bad blur in my eyes. Those here are on the extreme side though.. |
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MagerValp
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1078 |
Quote: Hum...
Those aint even good conversions.
Maybe a category or rather box "wired" for such gfx-entries would work? You cant decide what to ban and what to just let go. Im ok with i.e. masterpieces as a form of demonstration.
What about all those recent gfx-releases last winter? All due to Timanthes, P1 etc. Conversion, "hand"pixeled or not - they sure cant be compared to pre 90 stuff... Also, they are "wired" technically.
It's all a bad blur in my eyes. Those here are on the extreme side though..
It's not about wiring or not. If someone takes a photo or paints something in photoshop and then tweaks it to look good after wiring, it can still be an original and interesting piece of C64 art. What tools you use doesn't matter.
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
enthusi: nah dont blame timanthes or p1, if you have an eye for c64 gfx, you'll point out what was wired and what was hand pixeleddw with eyes closed :) last years gfx boom was definitly pure handjob. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
Quote: Delete them...fast!
I second that. |
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algorithm
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 705 |
Wired Gfx are a dead giveaway.. To release a wired graphic piece as a release is not on. anyone can just press a button and create 1000 releases per day.
If the graphic is part of a demo, then fair enough, there is nothing wrong in that, but as a single gfx release?? |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Since these pictures are so obviously wired, the guy is not trying to fool us or something. True, a waste of precious data-space but I fail to realise the big fuss about it. |
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Graham
Account closed
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 990 |
Quote: Scout, you're remark shows how crippled the whole idea behind an open database with unclear rules and no upholders is. ;-)
In a broader perspective it shows why anarchy doesn't work.
There are clear rules: No Protovision stuff :D |
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Rough
Account closed
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
id rather say they and discussing them are a waste of time, to call it a waste of data-space in nowaydays data unit sizes is complete nonsense |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Yeah, discussing this is a waste as well, but Rough, multiple 30-40k with every hit on those things and we'll have quite a few megs of completely wasted bandwith... Not exactly a nonsense as long you have to pay for it. :) |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
Quote: Since these pictures are so obviously wired, the guy is not trying to fool us or something. True, a waste of precious data-space but I fail to realise the big fuss about it.
The fuss is because Thunder.Bird posted those 4 pics as news to c64.sk and I think people who are irritated about it are right. It's a crap not worth news at all. |
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camper
Registered: Jul 2006
Posts: 16 |
Quote: Quote:It's always nice to see new sceners
Yeah right, I have WinVice, a conversiontool and I've added myself to CSDb...and now I am a scener.
/me sighs
Interesting,how you know that..
i dont have winvice,because i dont even have Windows ...and i haven't added myself... |
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ptoing
Registered: Sep 2005
Posts: 271 |
If you have not added yourself, why does your profile say "created by Gargoil"? |
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camper
Registered: Jul 2006
Posts: 16 |
my old account was c64camper..i have changed,not added it..
my first profile was added bye scorpe ........... |
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Deev
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 206 |
windows, vice and who added who is completely irrelevant to the point of the thread anyway... |
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TWR
Account closed
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 187 |
Sign of the times... |
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Perff
Administrator
Posts: 1680 |
This whole topic is about what is a release, and what is not.
I must admit that there are no specific rules for what a qualified release is, and I wouldn't know how such rules should be like..
Personally I would not call these 4 pics releases and put them out as such, as it just seems to be simple convertions with no post work done. Perhaps if it was made into a gfx-collection or something, but that's just my personal oppinion.
Gargoil thinks they qualify as releases, and so he uploaded them to CSDb as such. Now his story is here for all to see, and people can make their own judgement.
If stuff like this should be removed we first of all need clear rules on when something qualify to be added, and as stated such rules dosn't exist yet. (It would also call for a big cleanup of the database :) )
A thing that I however don't think is ok to put up is crappy fake groups etc. I know it's some kind of "if those lamers can put crap up, I can put even worse crap up and make fun of them", and that I think is just childish. That crap will be removed!
*sigh* |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570 |
Why did you delete the LWC group and the release?
The person who added the group reckoned it was a valid group entry and the person who added the release reckoned it was a valid scene release; their story was here for all to see.
Not that I approve such additions to the database but what I am trying to say here is, by deleting this fake group & release you are executing rules which don't exist yet.
In other words, you are contradicting yourself. |
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Perff
Administrator
Posts: 1680 |
Something is clearly crap - other is just something from people who dosn't know better.... |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570 |
Quote: Something is clearly crap - other is just something from people who dosn't know better....
Well, be honest now; they (Hema/Lamers with Conversion-tools) have a point right?
And the whole entry of that fake-group was (if I get their message clear) was all about making a point; too much 8bit doodoo is entered by so-called clueless newbies as releases.
And now you want to make some clear rules about what is a SCENE-release (mind the caps) and what is not.
HeMa FTW! \o/
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
Starting fake group everytime when some clueless newbie, or sociopath appears, isn't IMO the best thing how to make "the movement" healthier.
Clueless newbie is mocked up instead of being gently spanked until he gets the idea, (or doesn't, and gets "rejected" as lamer). People who make a lot of mess and don't show any respect are kept here as pets so we can laugh & talk about them, mock them up and get spammed by them (it took a long time until wanderer got banned, and it's taking too long time until the ex-scener Nata gets banned either).
The scene has degenerated to state where fake activites (I would preffer to call them "meta-activities") get as much respect as any other serious release. Some are even so enthusiastic about "this new fake group", that they are joining it. Yeah it's fun to be a part of meta-group and not bothering with any real duties. It's fun to start a new meta-group with snap of fingers by adding a new entry to CSDB and posting to c64.sk. You get what? Hundreds of curious people to look at your new meta-effort and some even applauding you. Respecta!
Doing a real scene-activity would be waste of our time. Right? ;-) Who said something about the "forum scene?". Yeah.. it seems that it really exists. It's here right around us, and I can't do anything about the fact that I've became an involuntary member.
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
"A thing that I however don't think is ok to put up is crappy fake groups etc. I know it's some kind of "if those lamers can put crap up, I can put even worse crap up and make fun of them", and that I think is just childish. That crap will be removed!"
aha, so primary crap is allowed, secondary crap is not :D |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570 |
Quote: "A thing that I however don't think is ok to put up is crappy fake groups etc. I know it's some kind of "if those lamers can put crap up, I can put even worse crap up and make fun of them", and that I think is just childish. That crap will be removed!"
aha, so primary crap is allowed, secondary crap is not :D
If you read between the lines Perff calls Gargoil a lamer.
Another victory for The Girl of the Meatdepartment, imo.
Besides that, CreamD makes a major point too.
I should keep those words in mind before I click on that submit-button. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
time to keep the forum scene alive
\D:/ |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
The CSDb is a database, the forum is a forum.
Making entries for communication sake, is using the database as a forum. IMO, that's not good.
In fact, it leeds to the decrease of quality and value of the database. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
teh forum has you. |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
I agree with you Oswald but please stop posting pictures which are related to oppressing women as I'll feel the urge to slap my girlfriend. |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570 |
Quote: I agree with you Oswald but please stop posting pictures which are related to oppressing women as I'll feel the urge to slap my girlfriend.
Okay, a close-up then:
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
jailbird, that bear is gay :D
nsfw:
http://www.plushieschwartz.com/ |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
scout holy muthafuckin shit I almot jumped from my seat. |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
FOR GOD'S SAKE, STOP DOING THAT SCOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!!! |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Finally! A picture from HMVDVA/Hema!!!! |
