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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
Handle id #16807 : Andrew Sleigh
how was this guy involved in the scene? doesnt look like a scener to me ... |
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The Shadow
Registered: Oct 2007
Posts: 304 |
He appears to be a graphics artist. |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
If you grab a picture or a charset from a game, who do you credit for it?
Credits for stuff ripped from commercial releases have always been an issue...
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
please not again. look at the rules. kthx
so how was this guy a scener? |
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Peiselulli
Registered: Oct 2006
Posts: 81 |
@groepaz
Are these guys sceners in your opinion ?
Rob Hubbard
Martin Galway
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
[first of all, this isnt about "my opinion" - the rules are the result of what all moderators thought was a practical compromise]
rob hubbard released demos on compunet back in the 80s, so he definetly qualifies as a scener. (everyone knows his synth sample stuff i guess)
about martin galway, i dont know. did he do similar stuff? (it wouldnt surprise me, because a LOT of wannabe-commercial-composers did so back in the days) if not, then by definition of the rules he doesnt qualify as scener and thus shouldnt be here.
that said, i am not quite happy with how the database handles this either. (and i can understand people want complete credits) but i dont have a good idea how to work around this properly either. (without a lot of database reorganising that is, which perff only has very little time to spend on). if you have a good idea, let us know :)
(and please notice that this isnt a "omg elitism only sceners allowed blabla" thing - like always its about database integrity - it should be possible to tell wether someone did commercial work (only) or wether he comes purely from the scene. ideally in a way that someone who doesnt care about commercial game coders/artists can filter them) |
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Rough
Account closed
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
non-scener: Martin Galway
Illogical?
I dont give a fuck. |
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Morpheus
Registered: Feb 2004
Posts: 152 |
Either Andrew or Galway were sceners. Rob used Compunet did music demos to get work in the industry and he did the Chicken Song music for a demo, but a scener? No. |
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Matt
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 598 |
I'm okay if people like those are added to the database. without adding them there would be plenty of gaps in the credits, and I personally like it when the credits to a release are complete.
I think we all know who is or who never was a scener, so what are we talking about?
how about a category 'non sceners' then? it's a simple thought but it could definitely work. |
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assiduous
Account closed
Registered: Jun 2007
Posts: 343 |
how a bout a flag "non-scener" in scener entries. people would select this flag for entries of those "scener.php"`s who arent sceners in your definition and you could even have an option in your csdb profile to hide all the flagged bastards from your eyes. and the credits in scene productions would stay intact. aint it simple enough ? |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
"From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Integrity is the basing of one's actions on an internally consistent framework of principles. Depth of principles and adherence of each level to the next are key determining factors."
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
Quote:
I think we all know who is or who never was a scener, so what are we talking about?
a database property that can only be interpreted by initiated humans is bullshit, totally useless. (and no, i doubt everyone knows all and everyone who wasnt a scener. its not always as obvious as in these cases) |
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assiduous
Account closed
Registered: Jun 2007
Posts: 343 |
Quote: Quote:
I think we all know who is or who never was a scener, so what are we talking about?
a database property that can only be interpreted by initiated humans is bullshit, totally useless. (and no, i doubt everyone knows all and everyone who wasnt a scener. its not always as obvious as in these cases)
I solved the problem by adding the following trivia info to Andrew Sleigh entry:
Trivia :
not a scener,credited in scene productions
now the property can be interpreted by the uninitiated. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
it's still not very useful, because it still can only be interpreted by a human. to the database there is still no difference from a "real" scener. (the point is to avoid having to manually review god knows how many entries in the future... presentation layer usually is a non issue and can be worked around easily) |
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assiduous
Account closed
Registered: Jun 2007
Posts: 343 |
but who is this database done for ? a human or some Mr. Data Base ? in any case the solution is afew posts above. add a flag(cant see a difference from adding a date of death for instance) to mark the "non-sceners" and the database will be smart enough to know! \o/ |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
Quote:
but who is this database done for ? a human or some Mr. Data Base ?
please, be serious. by that logic simply having one huge textfield "put your info here" for every scener would be sufficient. |
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assiduous
Account closed
Registered: Jun 2007
Posts: 343 |
that was a joke mate. but theres no need why the database should know the difference between a scener and a person who was credited in a scene productions. some people would like to know the difference and the trivia info is something a human can comprehend. and if that is absolutely necessary for some db operations(fe. for people who like to see teh true scenerz only and gaps in scene productions credits) a flag is the solution. |
