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2008-07-24 11:43

Scout

Registered: Dec 2002
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Release id #68842 : Be Sick Beta (90%)

I won't degrade myself in name calling like every 14 year old does.

Yes, I agree with Oerg; it's his release and he can do with it want he wants to.
But, if you put your release on a public site where people have the possibility to give an opinion, be prepared for the worst.
And especially when I'm around. Why I'm so harsh is explained now;
I can only agree with the words from Sander:
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I myself am getting sick over this petting culture. Petting the ambition and progress out of people :( And if you can't stand comments like these, than don't look.

I am also sick and tired of sceners that embrace every newcomer that has fun in entering 10 PRINT"HELLO" hoping that they will take over the scene-spirit we had back in the late '80s and '90s.
Wake up. It's over and it will never happen.
A few newcomers like Conrad know and understand what the deal is with the scene and they put out releases when they knew the time was ripe.
Petting and nurturing some kids from the Retro Computerclub from Shitholetown isn't the way to do it.
My opinion is to nip the lamers in the butt before it is too late.

2008-07-24 11:47

SIDWAVE
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Posts: 2238

so you still hate knoeki because he is better than you at coding ?

2008-07-24 11:48

cba

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 935

Knoeki is the cuddle toy of the current c64 scene.

One is enough...

2008-07-24 11:49

Scout

Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570

Quote: so you still hate knoeki because he is better than you at coding ?

Please stay on topic, Jan.

2008-07-24 11:52

SIDWAVE
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scout, i disagree. if someone tries to learn to code, and release stuff here, let them. nobody stopped us when we was 15, so why we should stop anyone ? your arguments dont work. and you are back to old negative scout mode again that made you quit csdb some months ago. if you cant be positive about anything, its time you quit again. you disappoint me.

2008-07-24 11:58

Britelite

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 51

I don't think most people have anything against newbies releasing their stuff. But it seems to be a common pattern that a new guy releases crap, he gets negative comments and reacts by personally insulting the people who comment, instead of learning his lesson and improving.

We could all ofcourse express ourselves a bit better instead of just throwing a bucketload of crap at shitty releases, but the people making those releases should also be able to handle the critique.

2008-07-24 12:01

chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386

i actually agree with scout. and rambones, it's not about "stopping" anyone. i don't think anyone has a problem with newcomers. or even with newcomers releasing shit.
it's just that when someone releases shit, he should be prepared to read that others think it is shit. and others should be allowed to tell wether they think it is shit. the arsepetting doesn't help anyone.

2008-07-24 12:54

HCL

Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 728

This is after all just a phorum, like any other phorum. This is the place where people may yell and behave assholely without any clue of common sence. If you come here like a n00b, do crappy stuff, and anwer respectless with bad spelling and grammar etc, you'll most likely get the same STFU LOL shit back rite? Why so surpriced!?

2008-07-24 13:10

Matt

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 598

scout,
it's a bit shitty you compare him with conrad. he happens to be a brilliant coder/musician/graphician and oerg obviously isn't but what the heck?
you're entitled having an own opinion ofcourse you do but why be so harsh? it does sound elitish I'm affraid.
don't really know why you're so upset? you could just easily have ignored him. obviously you hate this kind of crap (which it is) and you seem to be on a mission to ban any release like this but then isn't half of all the releases in this database not crap then?
take a chill pill and enjoy the weather mate, while you can.

2008-07-24 13:23

Scout

Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570

Quote: scout,
it's a bit shitty you compare him with conrad. he happens to be a brilliant coder/musician/graphician and oerg obviously isn't but what the heck?
you're entitled having an own opinion ofcourse you do but why be so harsh? it does sound elitish I'm affraid.
don't really know why you're so upset? you could just easily have ignored him. obviously you hate this kind of crap (which it is) and you seem to be on a mission to ban any release like this but then isn't half of all the releases in this database not crap then?
take a chill pill and enjoy the weather mate, while you can.

I did not compare the skills from Conrad with Oerg's;

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...and they put out releases when they knew the time was ripe.

2008-07-24 13:37

null
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Posts: 645

Quote: i actually agree with scout. and rambones, it's not about "stopping" anyone. i don't think anyone has a problem with newcomers. or even with newcomers releasing shit.
it's just that when someone releases shit, he should be prepared to read that others think it is shit. and others should be allowed to tell wether they think it is shit. the arsepetting doesn't help anyone.

agreed. I mean, I put out some crappy stuff, but did I whine about getting crappy comments? no. I didn't. I know I'm a crappy coder, and likely that won't change in a few days, but I'll still release my crap, and will expect to get negative comments.

tl;dr: life sux, then you die.

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2008-07-24 13:37

null
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Quote: so you still hate knoeki because he is better than you at coding ?

I think scout is a better coder than I am ;_)

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2008-07-24 14:31

Conrad

Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 849

Making a crude but valid point... spitting your dummy out over comments with negative-yet-important critique has got to be one of the most lamest things ever to do on a website. I'm not too surprised that this anger is coming from someone who's balls haven't dropped yet, so I guess he will grow out of it eventually and understand how to really impress the so-called elites. On the other hand, no-one will ever control them on the other side.

2008-07-24 14:45

Matt

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 598

Quote: I did not compare the skills from Conrad with Oerg's;

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...and they put out releases when they knew the time was ripe.

okay if that's what you want to remember about what I wrote that's fine, that wasn't even the point. but I think you got my point anyway.
I understand what you're upset with, crap releases, yes they suck. on the other hand then oerg was obviously upset with your reaction and I don't need to tell you what a snowball can cause.
sure it's good entertainment for the crowd though.

2008-07-24 14:56

Higgie

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 127

the entertainment at least compensates for the lack of decent releases. :)

2008-07-24 15:09

Matt

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 598

you see
more crap releases we need!!

2008-07-24 20:43

Oerg866
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Posts: 5

Conrad: Your mom's balls haven't dropped yet. Oh lord.

OK, so what the fuck is going on here anyway.

I made this because I wanted to do something I've never done before. Actually I don't care about your fucking spirit of the 80's and 90's.

Why? It's fucking over! GOSH. It's fucking 2008, not 1988, not 1998, but 2008. See, TWO, ZERO, ZERO, FUCKING EIGHT.

I just like commodore computers. But why do people who ironically call themselves the OMG ALMIGHTY ELITE always need to turn something into shitballs?

It's just not like "back then" where a game on floppy disk costed 120DM or something. Actually very few games still are being produced yeah. I'm NOT your every-day noob that you'd think of, I worked on a C64 since 1997 and I'd always been happy with it.

Also if people in this X2008shit shoot people on sight etc. when they come up with a release like this, then this is not a party where you could even remotely have fun. Where's fun when only the... OMG AGAIN ELITE can really participate?

Those german meetings i've been to always had friendly people. People liking stuff, people RESPECTING each other and what they did. Everyone was able to participate, and I got decent ranks in the compos of Willow Party 2007 etc..

It's beginning to form a dislike to the c64 community really.

Man, fuck you guys.

2008-07-24 20:47

null
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Oerg: no-one has said he/she is elite, that's you talking.

as said before: you could have expected this bitching, so STFU and go code your next demo, just as I did all the times I got negative comments.

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2008-07-24 20:51

Oerg866
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No I couldn't because all I got was positive impressions from the party people themselves, kthx.

2008-07-24 21:16

null
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Protip: Bunkerparty != CSDb

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2008-07-24 21:44

spider-j

Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 498

Smells like:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puberty
:P

2008-07-24 22:03

Oerg866
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Protip: You != gods.

2008-07-24 23:01

Danzig

Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 440

Quote: Conrad: Your mom's balls haven't dropped yet. Oh lord.

OK, so what the fuck is going on here anyway.

I made this because I wanted to do something I've never done before. Actually I don't care about your fucking spirit of the 80's and 90's.

Why? It's fucking over! GOSH. It's fucking 2008, not 1988, not 1998, but 2008. See, TWO, ZERO, ZERO, FUCKING EIGHT.

I just like commodore computers. But why do people who ironically call themselves the OMG ALMIGHTY ELITE always need to turn something into shitballs?

It's just not like "back then" where a game on floppy disk costed 120DM or something. Actually very few games still are being produced yeah. I'm NOT your every-day noob that you'd think of, I worked on a C64 since 1997 and I'd always been happy with it.

Also if people in this X2008shit shoot people on sight etc. when they come up with a release like this, then this is not a party where you could even remotely have fun. Where's fun when only the... OMG AGAIN ELITE can really participate?

Those german meetings i've been to always had friendly people. People liking stuff, people RESPECTING each other and what they did. Everyone was able to participate, and I got decent ranks in the compos of Willow Party 2007 etc..

It's beginning to form a dislike to the c64 community really.

Man, fuck you guys.

14 years and working since 1997??? *LOL*

"getting decent ranks@willow07" <- its like showing your neigbour :D

just imagine how much bullshyte has been added to this database in the past years... you might understand the overall opinion... getting pissed is not the answer, you are getting nowhere with that! maybe you should try to watch from the opposite, kid.

just take the dozens of given advices (some maybe rude ;) ) and go your way, we will be here even in 10 years to watch it... hang on, keep calm...

this community is a troll, but if you ask for serious help: you will get it, one way or the other ;)

2008-07-24 23:03

Danzig

Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 440

Quote: Protip: Bunkerparty != CSDb

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goddamnit, so we reached the point where knoeki gives protips? shut down csdb, scene is over... and this time it's really true ;)

2008-07-25 00:22

null
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Quote: goddamnit, so we reached the point where knoeki gives protips? shut down csdb, scene is over... and this time it's really true ;)

the scene already died after dutch breeze was released.

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2008-07-25 18:12

stash
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Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 343

WTF!!!!! the scene is dead????

why can´t u guys just get along.. the scene neeeds new brat kids with crappy releases and scaned pictures

oerg and camper u rules keep up the attitude and release more real hardcore demos...

:)

2008-07-25 21:23

Mirage

Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 113