As for cc85's mislabeling... he's new here

no he isn't, he knows damn well what he is up to =P

This disk simply shows that there were three people knowing each other and making up a gang name and one of them was able to understand the c64 manual.

Hey, Andreas, isn't this the way CYBERPUNX got born? ;)

Releases however imply some work was done, some effort was put into it.

seriously, a basic line requires zero effort. there is nothing to judge about it.

The main problem is that people here dig up so much incredibly awkward, unrelated, badly named, not working and incomplete stuff and just upload it - many without checking existing releases as well - there is hardly any hope left.

When stumbling upon such I simply take the chance to yet again flame upload whores and blame people for not knowing what they are doing. Simple as that.

I suppose it's all moot now. Someone took it upon themselves to delete the entry. :p

This looked to me like one of those groups that "imported" cracks into their country (or atleast liked to pretend they were the first in the country to get it), even if the original release was from another european country. There are other releases like this in CSDb where people have linked an intro (ok, intro and not just some basic stuff), and "released" it.
IMHO this should be included, it was a part of the scene, however lame some people might think it is, this was how things were back in the late '80s.

and this problem with ppl uploading whole disksides(with 5-6 different)releases as 1 entry at the time is annoying to say at least....

there are many releases of this kind that gets to stay,

therefor i asked the moderators about this what-stays-what does not...but i never got an answer....

noone except you even bothered to keep such crap,

let alone upload it =)

because you damn well know the answer already.

also self regulation worked quite well this time (for a change)

but indeed, it looks (again) as if common sense doesnt work for everyone and we need yet another rule. we'll see.

.....there are many rules on this database..that i have noticed yes....

one for every dot in your posts :o)

I just hope that any clarification doesn't lead to a massive purge of the Db in order comply with new guidelines.

However, I find it sad that an individual who has added only two items to the entirety of the CSDb has more authority than those of us who have stored these releases for 20+ years on floppy media, transferred the releases over to the PC, read endless stretches of scroll text, and categorised and chronicled them for the Db (which includes adding groups, sceners, the release entry, the D64 image, a screen shot, BBSes, etc etc.

However, I find it sad that an individual who has added only two items to the entirety of the CSDb has more authority than those of us who have stored these releases for 20+ years on floppy media, transferred the releases over to the PC, read endless stretches of scroll text, and categorised and chronicled them for the Db (which includes adding groups, sceners, the release entry, the D64 image, a screen shot, BBSes, etc etc.

The memes and norms of the North American pre-1990 scene is vastly different from the memes and norms of the post-1990 Euro scene.

a) the number of uploads someone did is completely irrelevant when it comes to this kind of discussion (infact, its pretty much irrelevant for pretty much every discussion =P)

b) he doesnt have more authority than anyone else.

c) you have no idea at all what kind of things he has done in the past to support the scene, how much stuff he transfered and uploaded (do i have to mention TDD?) and how much time he spents in various projects just right now. and because of that - read a)

i see it more important ppl uploading stuff here than posting 4376 times in the forum

i guess pals from the past have more to say than any newcomer..in general that is.

what is uploaded on other sites or databases is not intresting....in this matter may i add.

PS: If you want polite talk and smooth explanations - why speak HERE?