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2014-05-06 13:07
iAN CooG

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Group id #7909 : Chaos

I guess this should be Chaos #1 and not a different group
 
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2014-05-06 22:58
Rough
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That's true Chaos #1 started in Turkey, but later expanded to Austria who took over the main work of the group in 1989 (with some Germans).

It's different with The Force afa I get it. The Force Israel and The Force Australia seemed to be totally different groups until they discovered each other and merged. The Hungarian and Italian sections were then built up by the Israelis. (no guarantee on that one thou)
2014-05-06 23:32
The Overkiller
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Hmmm according with Dr.J : "In late ’90 DB (Danny B.) formed two abroad sections of The Force: in Italy & Australia" .. Source : http://www.c64-hof.com/groups/f/force/history.htm Anyway I love to talk about the old golden days :)
2014-05-07 20:02
Rough
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This is from the Australians in June '89...

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2014-05-08 06:32
Dr.Strange

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Quote: That's true Chaos #1 started in Turkey, but later expanded to Austria who took over the main work of the group in 1989 (with some Germans).

It's different with The Force afa I get it. The Force Israel and The Force Australia seemed to be totally different groups until they discovered each other and merged. The Hungarian and Italian sections were then built up by the Israelis. (no guarantee on that one thou)


You are completely right about the Italian Section. They have been built up with the supervision of Isrealis. Interesting anyway, I didn't know that the Aussie group was completely disjointed from the others.
2014-05-08 10:43
Rough
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I assume THAT, but it's not proven yet. The few old Israeli releases (mainly demos) I have examined until today never mention an Australian division.
2014-05-09 09:06
Dr.j

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I try to dissolve the fog on The Force and subgroups of the force , because there are some Inaccuracies in the famous article i wrote about the Force group a few years ago. The Force was formed by Colwyn (Australia) in early 80's (i think around '83) but i can ask him to confirm it , by the time "Danny Bouzaglo" the founder of The Force (Israel) discovered that fact he joined "forces" with the Aussie division but actually the Force Australia worked out as a Independent group and didn't really made demos together with The Force Israel i remember only on "10 Years Gone" demo 10 Years Gone they used Guy Shavitt/SCS (Sidchip Scratchers) music and a few intros were state the fact of The Aussie division but not a coding sharing as far as i remember.
i don't recall a co-op demos , but i do remember a strong friendly connection and mega-swapping between some Aussie members (Ziggy and Colwyn) to DB (Daniel b.) i think we should get back to have a second look on "Code Mag" series and old demos of TF Aussie to see if The Force (Israel) were involved on the Aussie group , i afraid not that much :-( . i myself was contact with "Vengeance" and a guy called "John" (kill me i don't know his handle..) and Jazzcat for some time . i think we can ask Jazzcat for speading more light about the Israeli and Australlia division Cooperation. i can say that Italy members (Gi909) and Air Design (Zoris+Zagor+Xemox) very successful gfx label who made a lot of gfx for the Force (Italy+Israel) were more involved than the Aussie Division and they even released a game or two with Guy Shavitt music (Crazy Cars,3D World Boxing Champion)
2014-05-09 12:37
The Overkiller
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Rough seems to be right then :)
2014-05-09 13:35
Rough
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small correction: Crazy Cars III was done by Babygang members, not The Force
2014-05-09 16:27
Dr.j

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@Rough: That's right. it flew out of from my head. Guy Shavit had a warm relations with Babygang after Hexagone demo and they made "Crazy Cars III" and another thing the Force Israel do mentioned The Aussie division not that much but here is an example i succeed to dig from old intro by a member called "Rotf"
2014-05-09 17:32
Rough
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Thanks for digging that up. Guessing from the style and the mentioning of The Guardian Angels it's from 1989, probably the year of the merge. As the story goes Colwyn's TF existed before.
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