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X-Raffi
Registered: Jan 2002
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50Cent&Timberlake / AYO TECHNOLOGY
Hi Guys ...
Do you ever hear that new Song from 50Cent&Timberlake / AYO TECHNOLOGY ?
I really think that they have used a C-64 & Amiga to make that Backround Noices.
Let me know what you Think about that Tune.
I can upp it if there is a need for it.
Regards ^.^ |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570 |
Yup...sounds like a SID-ish arp indeed.
Check:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na4x2Uwflmg
Edit: It's produced by our friend Timbaland |
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Conrad
Registered: Nov 2006
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Definately SID/Amiga arps! Funny how 50Cent is involved in this scam as well. Are they out of ideas?? LOL
Plus, what the hell are they doing in London? |
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X-Raffi
Registered: Jan 2002
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I just find it really Interesting that this Guys found the Way back to "our" good old SID ;)
And i really quest that there more Songs comming up with SID Stuff in it. |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
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Quote: I just find it really Interesting that this Guys found the Way back to "our" good old SID ;)
And i really quest that there more Songs comming up with SID Stuff in it.
Here some reading material to get up to date:
http://www.c64.sk/?content=news&searchstring=timbaland+acidjazz
It has nothing to do with this particular 50cent+timberlake tune but it has everything to do with Mr. Timbaland.
It seems Timbaland finally found his Sidstation manual as he managed to create his own stuff now on the machine (or does this arp sound familiar too? :-) |
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X-Raffi
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 24 |
Seems that Timbaland Ripped somthing ...
Just wanne know where 50Cent&Timberlake have ripped of this "Sids" ^^
Anyone knows ? |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
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Posting that mp3 is rather stupid, boy.
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
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@Scount: no it's not, now I heard it in decent quality (even though it's still the same shitty song) |
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Style
Registered: Jun 2004
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nah, its fine. Timbaland himself has stated that unless you enter the guy's house and steal something, it aint stealing.
At least, that was his defense for ripping acid jazzed evening.
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TNT
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Also worth remembering is:
"That's not stealing, 'cause everybody sample from everybody every day."
-- Timbaland
So, if enough people do something then it's not illegal. |
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Hate Bush
Registered: Jul 2002
Posts: 465 |
good track. seems like sid-like arpeggios have a chance to become the new chipmunk vocals in the rnb/hh production domain.
i have to admit that (besides timba's joints) only once i've heard such sounds in a commercial song, and it was 'more than real' by junior boys. anyone, other examples? |
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X-Raffi
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 24 |
@Scout: I do that too long to care about any Copyrights. Also its my Space/Server. So i upp what i like too. Also the Quality of the Track is better as in the MyTube Video. |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
What a crappy brainless shallow piece of shit track! Involving SID-sounds in manure like this is a disgrase! I regret I ever listened to this... |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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args. what a shitty track :( isn't the plain non raped instrumental around somewhere? |
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X-Raffi
Registered: Jan 2002
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Quote: What a crappy brainless shallow piece of shit track! Involving SID-sounds in manure like this is a disgrase! I regret I ever listened to this...
I Agree, but the Interesting Thing is that those Guys like this are finding the way back to C-64 & Amiga and Co.
o_O |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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"retro" sounds have been used by a lot of producers in the past years(s) (eg try kylie minogue, robby williams ... generally recent pop productions). and i doubt they are "finding their way back to c64 and amiga", as soon as the retro hype is over they'll move on. and that'd be better soon than later if you ask me. |
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Devia
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 401 |
Shitty music indeed...
Anyways, I do believe that deep-linking to copyrighted materials is illegal according to Danish laws. Since CSDB is hosted in .dk, maybe that link should be removed. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
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That might be true Devia. I've censored the post with the link just to be on the safe side. |
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X-Raffi
Registered: Jan 2002
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Got no Prob with it ;)
Are there any other Tunes where you straid can hear that there are C-64 and Amiga Tunes in it ?
For me it´s the first Time that i hear such a Tune like that, as i normaly lisen to "Direct" Sid Sounds ...
... At Work, Car, Home ...
(My Wife hates it) O.o |
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Sixx
Registered: May 2005
Posts: 229 |
Rap ain't what i used to be. I urge you all to listen to the new Public Enemy album. Fuck, are those kidie rap(p)ers for real? I have to agree with Zyron, WHAT A GOD DAMN SHITTY SoNG. MF. Timbaland (lake?) and 50Cent are lame. Yepp! |
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Hate Bush
Registered: Jul 2002
Posts: 465 |
Public Enemy had an (invaluable) impact on popular music somewhen in the late eighties - and made heaps of groundbreaking stuff, no doubt. However, like it or not, it's those guys (Timba, Justin, 50 Cent) that more-or-less create it today. and they manage well, most of the time. "Stop living in the past, Jon".
but I digress... |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote:
"Stop living in the past, Jon"
yes, next thing you'll say is that demos are much better on a 20 year old computer than they are on contemporary machines :=)
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Hate Bush
Registered: Jul 2002
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Groepaz:
no. technological aspects are one thing, concept in general is the other. c64 demos nowadays are like 2007 recordings done solely on analogue gear (like white stripes did, for example). pc demos are like songs done on pro tools tdm using sony oxford plugins and stuff. the sound will differ (sometimes heavily), but no matter which way is chosen to commit the composition to tape (rhetorical figure ;>), it's mostly ideas that count.
and the theory saying that good music ceased to exist in the 60s, 70s, 80s, suit yourself, is terribly hard to defend. |
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Hate Bush
Registered: Jul 2002
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(...and as imperfect as the above comparison is, i prefer c64 to pc demos just like i prefer analogue to digital processors, but it is just a matter o' taste in form. still i do pay far more attention to the content) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote:
and the theory saying that good music ceased to exist in the 60s, 70s, 80s, suit yourself, is terribly hard to defend.
just like the theory that someone beeing succesful on the commercial market with his music automatically makes his music good :) |
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Laxity
Registered: Aug 2005
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By "theory", you guys must mean "statement", right?.. Both statements are nor substantial or sane in any regard. Music can't be good in an objective sense, so better not pretend. That said, I really love good music :P |
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tempest
Registered: Jun 2005
Posts: 25 |
@Laxity: subjectivity is truth and truth is subjectivity, like one dane once said.
but back to that horrible track; doesn't anybody recognize where the sid-sample is from? I really doubt "Mr. T" would build arpeggios with his SidStation. |
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X-Raffi
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 24 |
Quote: @Laxity: subjectivity is truth and truth is subjectivity, like one dane once said.
but back to that horrible track; doesn't anybody recognize where the sid-sample is from? I really doubt "Mr. T" would build arpeggios with his SidStation.
Thats what i want to know.
Nice to see you Guys talking Interested about this Track.
Regards |
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Laxity
Registered: Aug 2005
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Quote: @Laxity: subjectivity is truth and truth is subjectivity, like one dane once said.
but back to that horrible track; doesn't anybody recognize where the sid-sample is from? I really doubt "Mr. T" would build arpeggios with his SidStation.
If subjectivty is truth and truth subjectivity, we're having ourselves a paradox. Must have been a statement from his "drunk" periode. :)
Maybe he didn't use a sidstation but a C64 emulator and a music editor?
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deizi
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i guess we have a new genre born here? chip-hop? |
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tempest
Registered: Jun 2005
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Chip hop :)
Instrumental version: http://youtube.com/watch?v=DkTgG7oYS1Q
(Music has no meaning outside subjective experience. It's not just about music in terms of quality but the actual music itself. Someone has to experience it in order to make it come alive, to make it exist. Otherwise it's just markings or soundwaves.) |
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Laxity
Registered: Aug 2005
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True |
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hollowman
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: i guess we have a new genre born here? chip-hop?
it was already born. http://www.last.fm/tag/chip%20hop |
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deizi
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aw crap, didn't remember dubmood's stuff. :D |
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FATFrost
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from 4.48 onwards...sounds very c64/quadrasidish!!...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1Baldqqrm4E&mode=related&search= |
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tempest
Registered: Jun 2005
Posts: 25 |
@Fatfrost: no, not really. |
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X-Raffi
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 24 |
Chip Hop or SiD Hop ^.^
Can be a great thing, if the right Persons do it :o) |
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Intensity
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GREAT PIECE OF MUSIC "AYO" IS! Soooooo sexy. SID forever *drying a tear* |
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dalezy
Registered: Apr 2002
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i've never seen intensity being that sarcastic. i hope all is good on your side of the wall? =) |
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Intensity
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Sarcastic? :D Dude, Recently I was high of some grass and listened to a cooperation of Timbaland and Nelly Furtado. It just fascinated me. Then I listened to other tracks from Timbaland until I met "Ayo". Timbaland gave me a complete other view about hiphop and RNB Music, and I am thankful for it. ;)
Anyways, still wanna have Timbalands email addy to send him my hiphop beats with oldschool sounds! :D
VERRAT! HAHA! |
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tempest
Registered: Jun 2005
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Laxity: now that I know a bit more about SidStation, I think you might be right about "Mr. T" possibly creating the sid-sounding material himself, or creating "the beat" as they call any musical element nowadays. |
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tempest
Registered: Jun 2005
Posts: 25 |
You might want to hear Britney's latest single "Gimme more", produced Timbaland protégé Nate Danjahandz' Hills, who had his fingers on "Do It" aswell.
http://perezhilton.com/?p=4747 |
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MagerValp
Registered: Dec 2001
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Gah, how the fuck do you delete a messed up reply?
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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i've done it for you :) (you can only edit it, not delete) |
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MagerValp
Registered: Dec 2001
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A preview button would be really helpful... It'd also be nice if clicking on Quote just added the quoted text within tags in the textfield on the edit screen.
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tempest
Registered: Jun 2005
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@MagerValp: I saw you spreading information in Youtube about Ayo Technology being based on a sample from a certain Ueberschall sample CD. Are you sure about that information? After all, it came from a community of Timbo-fanboys; the same source that claimed A. Evening was "a sample from Street Fighter 2 Turbo" etc.
And guess what? I emailed Ueberschall asking if Ayo Technology featured a sample from their CD. Their answer was no. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
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It seems that it needs some organised effort to check whether such tune exists in sid format. There is too much tunes in HVSC to listen for 1 person. |
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MagerValp
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: @MagerValp: I saw you spreading information in Youtube about Ayo Technology being based on a sample from a certain Ueberschall sample CD. Are you sure about that information? After all, it came from a community of Timbo-fanboys; the same source that claimed A. Evening was "a sample from Street Fighter 2 Turbo" etc.
And guess what? I emailed Ueberschall asking if Ayo Technology featured a sample from their CD. Their answer was no.
The source for that is Chris Abbott on the remix64 forums (IIRC). He usually knows what he's talking about, so... I don't have the CD myself, so I can't verify.
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Intensity
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This post-deleting is really annoying me.
Anyways, I posted something where I expressed my disliking of timbalands actions and my agreement to support GRG in his fight, since he is my number #1 composer in the scene.
Greetings,
Arman |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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where? there are two deleted posts in this thread, one from xraffi (direct link to copyrighted mp3) and one from magervalp (requested deletion).
so if your post doesnt show up, it's either a bug - or you fucked it up =) |
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stash
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50cen and timberlake does not produce music, timberland does |
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chancer
Registered: Apr 2003
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true stash, but bottom line is .. their producer is getting a "production" fee REGARDLESS of sales (and its not chicken feed) even before sales, and more probably a % of the royalties on sales.
50 n lake just front it.. lets be honest, if 50 and lake were really fat and ugly to women, you think they'd sell as many records.. image business err sorry music business ;-)
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stash
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lol like there have never been fat or ugly artist making tons of money
yes i think they would sell
bizarre in d12 is fat and ugly still he makes money selling records :)
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chancer
Registered: Apr 2003
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ah but stash, he's not fronting it ? 50 or whoever is fronting it, only reason that the other guy is there maybe he's good at spitting lyrics or good in the studio.
not that i know that much about hip hop these days, it got dull when the attitude left and the materialism crept in.
it reminds me a bit of take that of all groups, Gary Barlow is talented music wise, but back in the day they always had the others front it due to looks.
the whole thing with sampling the 64 now, is that without the demo scene i'd not have met music producers who found demo's creativity amazing. So no 64 scene, I wouldn't have got to know music people. So yer I could have been ripping the guts out of 64 tunes years ago, but didn't out of respect.
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
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going back in the discussion - those arps aren't generated for sure. at least not by timbaland ;) he simply took one minor arp from any sid and was transposing it - you can easily hear up/downsampling - when it plays higher it's faster, when lower - it slows down :P |
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chancer
Registered: Apr 2003
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Quote: going back in the discussion - those arps aren't generated for sure. at least not by timbaland ;) he simply took one minor arp from any sid and was transposing it - you can easily hear up/downsampling - when it plays higher it's faster, when lower - it slows down :P
yep jammer. I posted the same thing on errm pouet
pitching it down , is all good to a point, then it gets silly and don't sound right. so got the sample.. played it the original pitch , say c3.. and the note before it is like hhmm c2..
as for the really deep pitchbend thats definatly done as audio (a sample), I'm not so great with sid, but have never heard it done in any demo tunes on the 64.
perhaps they should make the sid station with an RJ45 so it reports back what tunes are being "listened" to.. obivously its for errm firmware updates. ;-)
I've never seen a real sid station, does the original composer come up when u load stuff in?
but my theory it was only bought AFTER it was used on the track, so they could make out the excuse its some "preset" like a mass produced synth, yamaha/roland blah blah. still a p*** poor try to wriggle out of it. |
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Hate Bush
Registered: Jul 2002
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rather a ridiculous way to transpose a sample. there are endless possibilities for pitchshifting without resampling, even the software way since xtrack came out. the last time i've heard a clear resampling in a beat, it was on '93 a tribe called quest track "stir it up". true, i'm deaf, but still wtf? |
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Akira
Registered: Oct 2003
Posts: 52 |
Check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLzgND7CugU
xD |
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Linus
Registered: Jun 2004
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@Randall: I fail to see anything ridiculous about it as resampling without timestretching provides that extra 'sample feeling' which works quite well in this case. I wouldn't have timestrechted that arp either I guess. |
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aeeben
Registered: May 2002
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Check the old Amiga module "Green Marlboro" by Bruno & Major Tom |
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SIDWAVE
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Weeeee, it's time to sue Timbaland again!! |
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chancer
Registered: Apr 2003
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regardless of what happens he is getting outted for his lack of talent. I find it odd people defend him, scary there's so mindless sheep about.
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Hate Bush
Registered: Jul 2002
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Quote: regardless of what happens he is getting outted for his lack of talent. I find it odd people defend him, scary there's so mindless sheep about.
don't let your individual musical taste fool you, no matter how precious it seems to you. this guy had (and still has) a REAL impact and influence on the pop music in general.
@Linus: you're right, it was most probably deliberate. |
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Akira
Registered: Oct 2003
Posts: 52 |
So, who stole who first?
Both tracks are credited 2008.
Timbalame and Crystal Castles both share the same stupid arrogance and thief abilities!
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fade
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you dont need talent to make pop music, anyone who has read klf's "the manual" will agree.
The book basically tells you how they made a number 1 hit without actually being good at anything. it wasnt any hit either, knocked Wham off the highest selling record ever and stayed at the top for like 3000 lightyears or something.
The guys a mutt and i'd probably urinate on his front door if i had half a chance. Then again i'd probably urinate on anyone's front door given half a chance :) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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the manual rules indeed :) |
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chancer
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 347 |
Randall, it sadly boils down to money for the labels who turn a blind eye to such things. Just make us money, dammnit.. pay the shareholders..
He has made an impact in the past for sure, BUT he has soiled it with these actions. Having respect for others work is important, many of us could have been lifting big chunks of sid sounds for years, 89 + but thought better of it.
With what he's done, its calculated (anyone who isn't from the states is fair game for them.. notice how they research that?)
A friends track was sampled BIG TIME,like what happened here BUT the person in question was MCPS registered, the label s*** themselves and paid him off as they realised he could sue. Joke was what he accepted as payment was nothing compared to what the sales were. If he held his nerve it would have been a lot better for him.
I sample, but heck not someone's whole tune, just for profits sake. Because of swapping demo's with a producer, that's how I got into making music.
people will buy his s*** simply because it's had a lot of money chucked at it, image based..etc. while others will not be so well known, or be brought in by majors BUT with a far lower budget (ties their hands). That's business I guess and people not bothering to explore music, that isn't fed to them.
the KLF book, interesting read. They've been on tv a few times showing their formula, which they couldn't get away with due to sample clearance.
I always wonder was it real money that they burned all them years ago.
As for how many more tunes that have been used, it would be interesting if a group action of things could take it further. Or some sort of proper body like MCPS but for demo musicians is formed.
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Akira
Registered: Oct 2003
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Check out what we've beendealing with for the past days:
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/05/05/chiptune-music-theft-c..
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fade
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Chancer: there's no room in the world for respect and such things. blows dog for sure, but i digress.. :)
sampling is common place, hell whole musical styles are based around it, jungle for example is derived from a b-side drum solo from the winstons in 1969 or something. you can hear it in nwa's straight outta compton.
Hell, i've taken .mod's over the years and replaced samples, restructered music etc etc, i've played them live but would never try to make money off it. Why make money from something someone does for free?
As far as i know about the klf thing, it was sponsered money and/or old commisioned bank notes. They could have simply put a large chunk in the stockmarket for a few days and reaped the benefits and burnt it. I never really looked into it.
The way i see the demoscene, it's much like the mafia. we seek digital perfection, not money. we all look out for each other in some way and show respect to those above and before us. These fuckers pissing on other sceners are essentially pissing on us all. disrespect should be dealt with swiftly. Then again, i'm in the "construction" business :) |
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chancer
Registered: Apr 2003
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fade, my roots are h-core/jungle/dnb, so it's funny. where I'm from, the area I was born is a big hub of it.
yep there's loads of sampling in that, but creative and REALLY twisted up samples. As for Mr Coleman (drummer from the winstons) he died last year, he could have sued a LOAD of people for using the amen, hip hop.. etc etc it's even used in futurama , for that song he got f'd over by the record company royalty wise. The sampling laws were different back then also, not so many sample clearance people back then.
borrowing a bit is one thing, and morphing it into something new is one thing, me blatantly putting my name on someone else's work is another =/ |
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Hate Bush
Registered: Jul 2002
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@chancer: of course there are valid reasons to hate tim mosley (particularly strong within our little society), but there are also _numerous_ reasons to respect him, for what (and to what extent) he's done to the music - hh, r'n'b, pop, whichever label you put on it, suit yourself; so it isn't any wonder that people defend timbaland. nothing mindless about it. that's what i strive to point out. |
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fade
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i consider this to be bullshit :) as an example i recommend listening to the a-side of grand puba's reel 2 reel album. in the days of kill whitey gangsta shit, grand puba went another direction and involved the brand new heavies into playing background behind his lyrics. fusing jazz with rap has far more of an impact than sampling some shit and rapping over it. saying that, is pretty much the same as praising puff daddy for sampling the police and rapping over it. it's unoriginal, exemplifies a lack of talent by a producer. anyone can churn this shit out, there is no reason to praise them. praise guys like herbie hancock, some 40 years in the business and in essence is only praised for rocket. even kate bush had the presence of mind to get involved with utah saints, her remake of wuthering heights in 1993 is amazing, even more so than the original.
A really good example of how it should be done comes from Ice Cube. Das Efx did the album Dead Serious, which featured a great new style to what the current state of rap was. Ice Cube pretty much ripped the whole style (poorly btw) and did the predator album. With that being said, he did bring them in on a few tracks (Check yo self), he gave them a bit of cash flow, screen presence and pretty much added a few years to their career. They weren't as good after the dead serious album but keep in mind this was a west coast/east coast merger. Ice cube saw the bigger picture and had the presence of mind to show respect, at least i like to think of it as that.
Maybe if captain fuckface contacted grg and said "hey, come cut a track with me, i'll introduce you to some people and maybe you can make some bones over here and we can settle our little problem" this useless bashing could be avoided. Sceners may have family to support, medical bills etc etc.. a little bit of royalty can ease a lot of the stress on life. It's not like us copying games in the 80's because they at least companies still made some money, there is no money in developing on the outdated machines today, so i put timbalamer in the category of stealing from beggars. it's low shit.
fuck him, the funniest part of this is that these pricks consider themselves gangsta. Fucking poser is just another fat nerd who needs his face stepped on. 50 cent got shot 9 times and he is hardcore? Why?!!? because the fucker who shot him couldnt aim for shit? How in gods name do you not kill someone with 9 shots?, you have to be a retard to not get the job done. Have none of these idiots seen any of the movies their country produces?. Christ, they are a pack of wimps. Bayliss could kick all their asses :) |
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The Shadow
Registered: Oct 2007
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When I listened to this song from Justin Timberlame and 50 Excuses, I immediately thought of "Visage" by Link of Vibrants.
http://www.c64.org/HVSC/MUSICIANS/L/Link/Visage.sid
The background tune is similar.
Crystal Castles? First time I have heard of them. Is it coincidence that Crystal Castles is also the name of a classic 64 game?
If course many musicians are inspired by the creations of others but these modern "musicians" are just rippers. |
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chancer
Registered: Apr 2003
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fade, regardless of it's a scener who did the music.. they should think "this guy / gal has a different angle" we need to get this MUSICIAN/Sound Programmer involved , since they have the skills and credit/pay them for their work. I know what your saying.. but alas so many sharks in the industry.
The Shadow, the problem with all of it, there are so many great sid (and scene) tunes sometimes it's tricky to pinpoint the exact one. Although someone along the line will, given enough time.. Or if it's blatantly obvious.
crystal castles is a game, yep. they can't chase anyone anyway. They ripped it off themselves..
I was listening to the radio a while back, it's funny the amount of kids that now have tunes on their i-pods have tunes before their time (70's and 80's) ,shows the state of music in some respects. Well how it is with the majors, thankfully there are more out there, doing good things. |
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Dane
Registered: May 2002
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Prince > Justin Timberlake
Pharell Williams > Timbaland
Producers come and go. But if SID is finding it's way into mainstream somehow I'd rather be sampled by the French electrogods. |
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Hate Bush
Registered: Jul 2002
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@fade: "anybody could churn this shit out" - listen my friend, people who never tried to seriously do a pop hit will never realize how much experience and skill it takes to make a chart topper. sometimes people succeed at that accidentally, but if we speak of a dude who can repeat the routine since fucking 1995, spawning thousands of followers during his career? but of course, anyone could do that, it's real easy. and it's far better to live in a dreamworld.
ps. brand new heavies vs. grand puba, dude, that was fifteen years ago and the fact that the "backgrounds" were played live does not make them better. face it, who cares if it's played or sampled? (ok, _i_ care, _i_ was writing articles on that for polish hip hop magazines, encouraging young producers to go beyond the most obvious solution of akai mpc and vinyl - to no avail, as you might have guessed). it's the final effect that counts, nothing more. you may add 'unfortunately' and elaborate, while i'm adding 'inevitably' and living with it. cheers. |
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fade
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Randall: are you kidding me? You know what makes a big hit? Cash. Marketing and some slutbags up front to get the masses wanking over your pissant melodies. If you want to make a big hit go learn up on mind control.. because essentially what you are going for is getting something stuck in someone's head. Pay the radio stations to play your "hit" and be seen in all the right places. Save yourself the time and buy a geetar and dye your hair black and purple.
It has nothing to do with talent and everything to do with who you know/blow. Yes i am speaking from experience, many moons ago i headlined a club with a dj playing before me who wanted to be a big "star".. it took him almost a decade, mainstream acceptance of dance music and a 40 year old coke whore to achieve it. His name was andy van and got famous as Madison Avenue. Whoop de fucking doo.. his ploy was girl power lyrics and it was just another flash in the pan and so was their relationship
Good producers are the ones who arent famous, they're the ones behind the mixing desk, they are the ones making the hits. thats why you can find "sound engineer" and "produced" credits on cd's. time after time i saw first hand some poser buying studio time and humming a melody to the booth owners and they were punching it down for them. Yes it got released by a label.
It takes nothing to have a few thousand followers, here;s a few examples.. Jeroen Tel, Kraven/future crew, prodigy
Timbaland is famous because he had to tag along in the filmclips.. oooh pay attention to me, look at meeeeeee.. imma maed diz muzak.. he isnt marketable as the beeftruck that he is.. defend him all you want, he is a fucking stooge and deserves to be pack raped by a million rabid dogs. |
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The Shadow
Registered: Oct 2007
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For sure! Justin Timberland is not a great talent, he just has a deep throat! There are plenty of people who are poor and sing "doo-wops" on street corners, with much more talent than him. You could pluck any one of these people off the street, put nice clothes on them and promote them just as much and they would be able to throw out just as many pop hits. In one hundred years, people will not remember him. Justin Who? In one hundred years though, people will remember Mozart, Beethoven and others who have real talent. |
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Hate Bush
Registered: Jul 2002
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right, delude yourself further. anyone could be like timbaland, anyone could be timberlake, provided one has some cash to spare. develop some modesty, please. it ain't as easy as it seems. it does require skills. the world would be full of popstars otherwise. |
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SIDWAVE
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Excuse me :-) formula music is easy peasy. it's no trouble to make a poptune, it's a money issue to MARKET IT! real composers make classical orchestra anyway, for musicals etc. any one of those could be a popstar in notime. |
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fade
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Quote: right, delude yourself further. anyone could be like timbaland, anyone could be timberlake, provided one has some cash to spare. develop some modesty, please. it ain't as easy as it seems. it does require skills. the world would be full of popstars otherwise.
anyone can be famous, reality shows like big brother or fear factor are testament to that. |
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Britelite
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: Excuse me :-) formula music is easy peasy. it's no trouble to make a poptune, it's a money issue to MARKET IT! real composers make classical orchestra anyway, for musicals etc. any one of those could be a popstar in notime.
Real composers make classical orchestra? That's a bullshit-statement and you know it. Why should "classical" music be put up on a pedestal compared to all other forms of music, and thus be the kind of music that "real" composers do? |
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SIDWAVE
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It's very difficult to explain this.. or maybe not.. hmmm. say you have a note line of ancbdhey64jdhur7, this is classical composition. now the pop version of it is only ancb, and then repeat this over and over. what is most composition ? pop is a copy of a copy, NOT composition! |
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Britelite
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: It's very difficult to explain this.. or maybe not.. hmmm. say you have a note line of ancbdhey64jdhur7, this is classical composition. now the pop version of it is only ancb, and then repeat this over and over. what is most composition ? pop is a copy of a copy, NOT composition!
What the hell are you talking about? You're surely not saying that popmusic (or any other non-classical form of music) doesn't consist of compositions, but instead copies, because they use the same scales and notes as classical music?
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Linus
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 639 |
Huh?
Are you trying to say something qualifies as composition just because one uses e.g. Em7/9 instead of e.g Em or something?
How to put this politely ... I strongly disagree :)
I am outta here now, trying to define what counts as composition and what doesn't leads to nowhere. |
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SIDWAVE
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its complicated. i have trouble to explain what i mean. |
