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Heavy Stylus
Registered: Apr 2007
Posts: 62 |
Which modern SID musicians favour the 6581 over the 8580?
I've only got an old breadbin with the 6581 at the moment, and it seems whenever I find a great new track it sounds shitty on my SID because it was made for the new one instead... :(
There must be some peeps still pushing the 6581, surely! But who are they?
When I bought my old C64 I was under the impression that the old SID was favoured - for example, the sampled speech in Greenrunner and Redrunner by Alexi Eeben sound really muffled (to me) on the 8580... Was I mistaken?
Any suggestions for 6581 tracks to check would be appreciated!
Thanks, J/HS |
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VIC
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Registered: Aug 2003
Posts: 73 |
Anything from Jeff... |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
Evolver comes to mind, speaking of Jeff. |
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Heavy Stylus
Registered: Apr 2007
Posts: 62 |
Yeah, been checking some of his stuff :)
The older chip doesn't seem to be able to pull off the insane levels of bass that the 8580 is capable of. I assume that is the attraction...
Keep 'em coming :) |
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SIDWAVE
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238 |
I have only used 8580 in 1 tune... |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1648 |
I like 'em both. Some like it hot and some like it cool. I like it hot and cool.
What I DONT'T like is that there are two models and that they are different due to all the hassle that creates...
@Heavy Stylus: Digis/samples played with the $d418 technique sounds much more quiet on a 8580 than on the 6581. |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2249 |
What Frantic said.
My way of dealing with the "hassle": Actually I have a Stereo-in-SID double-mono jumpered with 6581 PLUS 8580 in my main machine.
BTW: Not all of the modern 8580 suck on the 6581 though it's true that they quite frequently lack bass and depending on the used filter technique CAN sound a little underwater-like. On the other hand, the 1980s classix composed on 6581 - as everybody knows - may have very silent samples on an unmodded 8580 though there are quite a few solutions to that problem (DigiHack).
But BTT: Aren't there more musicians than only rambones and Jeff who still compose for 6581? |
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Linus
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 639 |
Hein´s tracks usually sound fine on both chip revisions. Other musicians that come to mind are DRAX, JT, Geir Tjelta, Laxity, NE7 and the Prosonix guys. Dalezy used to rape the old chip exclusively until recently.
My tunes sound awful on the old chip since I make extensive use of filtertype switching and quite deep cutoff values. |
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Heavy Stylus
Registered: Apr 2007
Posts: 62 |
Thanks for this guys - really informative.
I've realised now that the majority of SIDs contain info regarding what chip it was made on, and therefore I can tell more or less if they will favour my 6581.
I guess the obvious solution for me is to have one of each machine; a C64c and a breadbin.
What year/revision did the C64c definitely stop having the 6581 in? I've heard that they continued to stuff the new Amiga style shells with older boards and components for a while before moving over to the revision C board and 8580 exclusively... |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
Check out GRG stuff as well, he's exclusive on the 6581. |
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Hate Bush
Registered: Jul 2002
Posts: 465 |
so is (was?) Asterion from Tinnitus. |
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Cresh
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 354 |
Mixer
Zardax
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Linus
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 639 |
Are they still active? :) |
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Cresh
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 354 |
Yeah. *Still*.
Sorry, then... |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2249 |
Though I can neither speak for him nor tell whether he really *prefers* 6581, Slimex seems to be worth mentioning here imho, since he at least is an active composer who DOES tunes for 6581 - which I really appreciate! |
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SIDWAVE
Account closed
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238 |
i favor the 6581, because its what i got born with.
also it has the warmest sound, where the 8580 seems cold and plastic.
also, the 6581 can do saturation and warm distortion in the filter, which 8580 fails on. |
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deizi
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Registered: May 2003
Posts: 95 |
6581 = vinyl, 8580 = cd |
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Linus
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 639 |
Hear, hear ... |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
grew up with 8580, stuck with it. But I kinda love to get corrected when listening to some old SID tunes I got used to listening on new sid and then later realised what's their propper filtered version. Some hits by JT and Red Devil that I considered awesome ... sound more appropriate and less "bass screamy" on old sid. |
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Conrad
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 849 |
Quote: Evolver comes to mind, speaking of Jeff.
I don't know why, but I think Evolver sounds just as good on 8580. I played it on my C64C+8580R5 recently, and it sounds great!
I've done 6581 sids a couple of times, but I've always preferred 8580 because of my innocent upbringing on it. |
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Hate Bush
Registered: Jul 2002
Posts: 465 |
the saga continues \o/
why a majority of 'new school' sidsmiths choose 8580?
myself, i can't use 6581 properly. i can't stand the thought of having three filters and being unable to switch them smoothly. i consider the 6581 distortion a nice 'bug that became a feature' though, and i do miss it on 8580.
i've heard that 8580 is emulated a bit better than 6581 nowadays, which may play a role as well ;) |
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Conrad
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 849 |
Perhaps at the next party gathering we can have a tug-of-war fun compo with active musicians... 8580's vs 6581's :) Why? Well, it's a known fact that most of the 6581's are old fogies! >;D |
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Hate Bush
Registered: Jul 2002
Posts: 465 |
as a self-appointed captain, i'm picking Sidder, Psycho and you for the 8580 team = no contest |
