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2008-01-15 10:46
Stainless Steel

Registered: Mar 2003
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Ayo Technology / F1_Simulator

Hi guys

I was just listening to "F1 Simulator" by Charles deenen and i might be wrong but the chords up to around 0:39 (Especially the part from around 0:25-0:38) remind me a lot of that "Ayo Technology" piece by Timberland.

Can anyone tell me if I'm having hallucinations

 
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2008-01-15 13:23
Steppe

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510
I wondered that myself numerous times, was that actually even used in a game? Or is it just one of these tunes floating around on disks?
Guess we should drop Charles an email about.
2008-01-15 19:55
Rough
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I've never seen it in a C64 release at all.
2008-01-15 23:16
Steppe

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I did, and that's also the source of the HVSC rip:
Formula 1 Simulator Music
2008-01-16 01:55
Rough
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Thanks, Steppe.

I had a look in the net for any info on that game, but there's nothing even on Frank's GTW. Maybe Virgin (who bought Mastertronic) planned a sequel to Formula 1 Simulator
2008-02-08 03:15
chancer

Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 347
hopefully his "rip station" eer sid station will break soon.

is the sid station itself, can it be firmware updated?

perhaps they should update it.. force it to display the authors name when sid is being played, and only allow playback if they agree not to use it for commerical usage without clearing it.

oddly enough, don't you find it funny how the composers names are listed as the folder structure.. "ofcourse ya didn't know who it was"...



2008-02-08 07:08
Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094
you should check how many commercial sid tunes were ripp offs before throwing rocks on timbaland.
2008-02-08 07:36
enthusi

Registered: May 2004
Posts: 677
quite true. I came across a few dozens coming from classical music even :)
Ghost n Goblines being the most famous example I can think of atm. It's almost 100% from an classical piece - at least the memorisable part :)
2008-02-09 00:09
Stainless Steel

Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966
though oswald has a valid point there, i think the magnitude of a person like timbaland actions are substantially larger in $ net than vice versa.

Yeah yeah, two wrongs dont make a right i know but the peanuts all sid composers ever earned with their covers are laughable compared to what timbertard made with one song.

2008-02-10 15:05
chancer

Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 347
oswald I can name 2 or 3 tunes that I know of personally that use VERY small snippets of sid tunes, that very few know.. for me thats a world of difference , to be honest. all out plagurism, for me is different. I mean I got to make music, by swapping demos with known record producers as they liked the whole creativity thing coders/artists would do also.

remember theres 2 times of sampling really , very obvious rip off.. and creative sampling (where you don't rip the guts out of the tune and don't change a bit, or add a lot more to it).

as for commerical thing, well it's even worse if the sid tune is totally free and original.

I like the sid sound, like everyone on here.. but I chose to use things like unknown 64 etc.. and a few presets I have in some soft synths i use sound very close.

as for classical music, not like the composer is gonna come back from the grave..

yep I've heard loads of covers on commerical , and it's blatently obvious they covers. Again that is a lot more respectful than ripping the guts outta something THEN having the bare face cheek to make out its 100% it's ya own work.

We are all inspired by things, for sure.. but theres a line between being respectful and just taking.

the amounts of money mr t charges for "production fee's" and the money he gets royalty wise off EACH record are BIG money. A friends song was sampled, he got paid off as he is mcps registered.. trust me the amount he was paid, isn't small. He could have bought a car with that money.

So ya see, for me it's about the amount and did they actualy change anything. As for throwing rocks, well you heard the interview on the radio? I can't condone lying on such a scale and basically calculated theft and proffiting off it so much.

you gotta ask yourself,are they being respectful to the music, and are they making music for musics sake, or just to fill their bank account at someone elses expense?
2008-02-10 15:30
chancer

Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 347
I forgot to mention, as for classical etc. the copyright/publishing etc is there for 80 years after the authors death. After that time, well you can change it up, modify the original notation etc.

steel,might not have been released, well the game/mon tune.. it's a cover of fleetwood mac's "the chain" which people associate with f1 racing. Also virgin? might not have the rights from f1 to do the game.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AUgWwrtOR2E
(fast forward to 3:03 ;-) )

it's more the chord structure that has been taken then the melody. I bet that was done AFTER all this fuss about the other tune, So he had to mask things up the same.

it sounds like the same tune, your right.. very good. I would like to know where the melody is from.. I'm guessing thats a midi'd out version of a melody from a sid tune , replayed (obviously not a sid sound but a studio patch)

it's a bit like the "harp" in the nelly tune, all that was done there is take the midi out.

although legally its different, coz I doubt mr d had permission to do the cover version, and old doughnut boy can just bring fleetwood into it, and they would get a bigger share, since they are the original composers. If that isn't a display of being very calculated I dunno what is.
if he picks tunes that are original notation wise also , which he probably knows , he'll get in the doo doo.
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