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2009-02-06 17:33

chancer

Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 347

Time to reclaim the sid...

now we all see this stealing with "artists" ripping off sids...and not paying the original composer or not even crediting them / asking permission / getting clearance.

how about the composers all start registering ALL their none covered works with bodies like MCPS.. I'm in the UK , but a friends track was used without clearance, because it was MCPS registered, the person in question DID have to pay up. The person who used it was US based and couldn't argue with it. So they play the "oh let it go to court, we'll hold out we have money" won't work with things like that.

This in itself is a bit of a task, in the sense of the sid tunes.. well if they are converted to sid.. have an extra bit in the header with the MCPS and or a PRS number for the tune, even say in demos include a bit with the numbers etc.

It adds teeth / bite to any claim people have.. I'm sure most of the composers are the most laid back people and just do it for creativity sake. I could have been ripping sid tunes myself for years, for my own work but never did, most probably out of respect.

Or actually form a group / collective , I mean some sceners including me have decent enough music setup.. I never did any sids personally , but I have respect for those as some of the sound is so FULL considering the limitations to work with..

just curious what others think.. I mean so many on here have good organising skills and the fact that lots of people from europe would spread the word. Thats not even bringing into the fact the you have to have talent to make tunes that so many people find memorable so many years on.

I just don't like seeing people getting ripped off, so maybe I'm a bit of a hippy on the quiet.

http://www.prsformusic.com/

techically people can join PRS

http://www.prsformusic.com/membership/join_us/Pages/JoinPRSasaw..

because as a writer your music is online.. just wack it on a myspace etc (low quality of course =) )

2009-02-06 17:42

Frantic

Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1648

I thought being in the scene wasn't about business in this sense at all?

At least I know that it doesn't have anything to do with that stuff at all for me personally.

2009-02-06 17:51

chancer

Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 347

Frantic it's not.. but if it helps stops the stealing. then would you agree thats a good thing?

I don't wanna hear about people getting ripped off.. they would clear commercial tunes, so why not sids.

the original intent of sid makers I'm sure is to be creative, but say years later someone is profitting off your work and in some cases claiming it's theres.. it's not right and if legal is the only thing they understand.. give them legal... if they can't be decent enough to clear before release.

it's a bit like moaning about something, but maybe there is something to actually fix that in a pro active way.. where the makers are duly credited

2009-02-06 22:22

SIDWAVE
Account closed

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238

Well, i am joining KODA anyway soon, because i have an album coming out.

Its expensive to be protected, but i have to do it..
Then i might aswell add my sids and mods to that list.

2009-02-07 00:21

goto80

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 138

i didn't take the time to read up on what PRS actually is, but i guess they protect the economic rights of music? if so, they will not help you if your music is sampled by others. these moral rights are up to copyright owners (artists/publishers) to take care of on their own. creative commons won't help either. i've tried both :)

so it might be annoying to be sampled without permission/credit (happened to me twice in the last two weeks) but, yeah... that's life? personally, i don't think there is a problem. when something is really dodgy (timbaland) the demoscene army spreads the word and people listen.

the formal copyright hoolabaloo seems a bit fucked to me anyway. grg didnt have any luck so far, for example. and also, if all SID composers would have their work protected by the bossom of copyright, that would/should mean the end of SIDs being played in public (ie, outside your room) without paying $$$$.

BUSINESS POWER!

2009-02-07 02:10

chancer

Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 347

goto80, well the sums of money involved are crazy.. why don't you just give them access to your bank account. Of course people making tunes for being creative sake, thats what I like about the scene.. I have knowledge of how much money is paid sample clearance wise (can't say who or what) but it was a major and they got REALLY worried when they relised the person was MCPS registered.

They had no excuse of "oh I didn't know who it was" or could even use that bluff.

You don't do music for money's sake do you ? so why not make the people who lift your talent actually pay for the right who are more about the money, than the form. As much as they would hire in a session musician.

if you could specify things regarding clearence specifically for sample clearence / usage in commercial projects that would be good right? . I mean your not expecting the money, but c'mon it's human nature someones lifting your talent and claiming it as theirs. Think of all that C64 hardware you could buy on ebay ;-)

Of course I would ask Jeff etc for permission (only naming Jeff due to the group he's in and I think 20 pizza's would buy him off =) joke.. ). IF I wanted to use his work etc. thats how I am, but alas a lot aren't.

Yes on one hand you never did the music for moneys sakes and people don't won't to really go into a business side, BUT there has to be a ground where people should get paid and it's not "suit" world.

It's either that or be miffed and moan on here that the talents aren't getting paid for THEIR hard work.

do I like making music.. very much so... do I like the business side of it.. nope, as it's normally people involved who are just their for the %.

bottom like is , not making money out of it = use it, credit it perhaps... commercial = do the decent thing

I mean I hear many remixes on RKO, not for profit etc.. just because they like the music.

I'm sure there are songs you have liked for say 15-20 years, even this long they still stay in you head. That says a lot about the composition alone.

they are only picking on sid music to try their luck, because they assume the music isn't properly protected. I used to sample loads YEARS ago that was commercial REALLY old obscure stuff and not massive chunks, but creatively. They tightened that up very quickly and people avoided using certain samples.

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