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2009-06-16 17:28
Fredrik

Registered: Apr 2009
Posts: 205
Ok, I shall try

Ok, I can try another tracker than Cybertracker.
But which one is the easiest and most like Cybertracker?
The bad thing about Cybertracker is that it has very small patternmemory.
Which tracker do you recomend? And is the patternmemory larger on that one?
 
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2009-06-16 18:17
Angel of Death

Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 215
Depends ofcourse if you want to make your tune on a c64 or on PC.
If you want to go hardcore retro on a genuine c64 I'd suggest this one:
EMS V7.03
SDI or the JCH Editor could be a little complex for a less experienced musician.

However... Using a c64 editor in an emulator on PC is IMO not a good idea. For emulators, though very good nowadays, are not perfect concerning timing and filtering. If you want to edit on PC use Goattracker or Ninjatracker. A dedicated PC editor with RESID 2 emulation. (or even better, with HardSID!) That's the closest you can get for now to the sound of a real SID.

(Jeez Do I sound serious and lecturing. Please take no offense and see it as good advice. :)
2009-06-16 18:27
Radiant

Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 640
Actually the 8580 emulation in GoatTracker is decent. Basically you only need to remember that the filtered sounds are somewhat louder on the real machine.
2009-06-16 19:08
Stainless Steel

Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966
I was assuming that VICE and Goattracker share the same emulation engine?
2009-06-16 19:11
Fredrik

Registered: Apr 2009
Posts: 205
I want to create on my 64.
Not on the PC.
I will not sit by the pc and create 64-music
Is SDI easy to understand and I can create on the 64 with it?
Do EMS have a packer and a executable funktion?
2009-06-16 19:18
Radiant

Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 640
Stainless: They do, but in VICE 6581 emulation is decent as well (with resid-fp, thanks to selectable chip revisions whereas the 6581 emulation with resid-fp in GT2 sounds nothing like any 6581 I've heard).
2009-06-16 19:55
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1343
Quote: I want to create on my 64.
Not on the PC.
I will not sit by the pc and create 64-music
Is SDI easy to understand and I can create on the 64 with it?
Do EMS have a packer and a executable funktion?


that's the spirit dude! but, to be honest, you don't use filters in any way that would exclude emulators due to the inaccuracies. unless you really hate emulators - i know such a few guys and their music is not necessarily better thanks to that :P
2009-06-16 20:05
Linus

Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 640
If you prefer a tracker style environment (I assume you do) go for either SDI, JCH or maybe SID factory. *I* would not recommend to use EMS or DMC.
2009-06-16 20:07
Soren
Account closed

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 547
I recommend: JCH, SDI, Sid Factory... There are other good ones ofcourse.
SDI is probably takes a bit more time to learn and get used to, but it's definately more flexible.
JCH and Sid Factory are somewhat the same type of editors, with the possibility to load different drivers/players.
Learning to handle sound programming can ofcourse take a while, but as others mentioned there are example tunes.
Furthermore I guess more of us will be happy to give some hints on how to do certain sounds and so on. The SID is a very simply synth chip, but still very flexible thanks to the many great music routines available :-)
Good luck with choosing one or more editors to explore!
2009-06-16 20:08
Fredrik

Registered: Apr 2009
Posts: 205
But is there a packer for them?
I would like to add some text or pics to the tunes i make
2009-06-16 20:12
Linus

Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 640
There is :)
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