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booker Account closed
Registered: Jul 2003 Posts: 334 |
SCENER INFOS DELETED
HI, just noticed that all entries according my person has been deleted. Since I aint did that then how that may happen ? Can I then look for unprotected users and delete their infos easily ? Also Leming found him 'deleted'.
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H.O Account closed
Registered: Oct 2002 Posts: 70 |
As I understand it; all non-locked entries (groups, sceners, releases) can be deleted, but it should be done with care.
I've done it a few times, to clear up some incorrect S451-releases, but anyone deleting (or changing) should make sure that he/she is actually improving the database.
That is also why I have locked my own record, those groups I maintain, and the releases I was involved in. I was considering locking all releases relating to groups I was involved but decided not to, since I dont want to lock other peoples work.
In case anyone is deleting records just to be an ass; well, it sucks. Contact one of the maintainers; I wouldnt be surprised if they keep backups.
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Perff Administrator
Posts: 1686 |
Of course we do. :)
If someone deletes something that shouldn't be deleted just let us know, and we will restore it. |
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Graham Account closed
Registered: Dec 2002 Posts: 990 |
LOL, common guys. "but anyone deleting (or changing) should make sure that he/she is actually improving the database." This is pretty naive when Secret Man is around again. Btw, why did the Anti-Secret Man demo disappear so quickly? |
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H.O Account closed
Registered: Oct 2002 Posts: 70 |
Quote: LOL, common guys. "but anyone deleting (or changing) should make sure that he/she is actually improving the database." This is pretty naive when Secret Man is around again. Btw, why did the Anti-Secret Man demo disappear so quickly?
Well, I can only refer to how I work when I do changes in the database. But then I've never been a big fan of destroying for others.
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001 Posts: 3075 |
Quote: Of course we do. :)
If someone deletes something that shouldn't be deleted just let us know, and we will restore it.
Who did it this time? |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001 Posts: 1879 |
Maybe everything that is deleted (or even changed) should get a temporary status so that people can check it, and maybe protest against it (ofcourse this means that the person who deletes it should be known). The list of 'flagged' entries could be made reachable from the homepage or something.
This is a quite common practise when it comes to those databases where basically all users have the same rights. I've implemented it myself once for a Dutch bank where all the customer managers were able to manage every account. |
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H.O Account closed
Registered: Oct 2002 Posts: 70 |
@TDJ: This is similar to how many wikipedias works, and it is actually a great idea.
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dalezy
Registered: Apr 2002 Posts: 477 |
now that you mention that .. didn't i use to have an info-line as well?
since when is that stuff gone? (and i'm sure my entry is locked actually?) |
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Richard
Registered: Dec 2001 Posts: 621 |
It is very annoying when people delete other people's CSDB entries, scener names, groups, etc, when unprotected. It is unknown whether or not Secret Man / Real Elite is behind this, or whether someone else has accidentally deleted stuff when editing (which I cannot see the case) or someone probably has the grudge against the C64 scene, and just deleting unprotected stuff for the hell of it. Which is down-right lame. :(
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booker Account closed
Registered: Jul 2003 Posts: 334 |
And why we should not know who da hell dat asswipe is ? Suppose If someone would delete stuff (and acorrding to my infos not only mine and Leming's entries has been 'deleted' last time) that person gonna inform admins or users of 'the accident'. And if that not happen it means that was act of damn lame lameing. And such lammarz should be known to public. |
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Slartibartfast Account closed
Registered: Jul 2002 Posts: 230 |
Some clown with a fake account also deleted my demo Out of Sight - Out of Mind/Battery and replaced it with something stupid and locked it.
Really beyond the joke I think.
I wanderer who could be responsible, given the entries that have been abused. Maybe it's not even necessary to wanderer who it is considering the clown hasn't been on here since the incident. |
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Wanderer Account closed
Registered: Apr 2003 Posts: 478 |
Quote: Some clown with a fake account also deleted my demo Out of Sight - Out of Mind/Battery and replaced it with something stupid and locked it.
Really beyond the joke I think.
I wanderer who could be responsible, given the entries that have been abused. Maybe it's not even necessary to wanderer who it is considering the clown hasn't been on here since the incident.
*yawn*
Did somebody call me?
No? I'm going back to sleep
*walks out and closes door*
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booker Account closed
Registered: Jul 2003 Posts: 334 |
TDJs idea is quite kool. I suggest to implement it to CSDb. |
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Perff Administrator
Posts: 1686 |
The idea is noted. :)
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002 Posts: 588 |
Quote: Some clown with a fake account also deleted my demo Out of Sight - Out of Mind/Battery and replaced it with something stupid and locked it.
Really beyond the joke I think.
I wanderer who could be responsible, given the entries that have been abused. Maybe it's not even necessary to wanderer who it is considering the clown hasn't been on here since the incident.
is this wrong abused locked entry still there?
If yes tell me & I will take a look
EDIT: I just saw, it's fixed already, ah well. =) |
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Slartibartfast Account closed
Registered: Jul 2002 Posts: 230 |
I just noticed that the aussie group Lithium that I was a member of for a short time in 1993 has also been deleted.
Yet another abused entry that is related to someone that a certain asshat has a grudge against.
I wanderer if anything can be done about this. |
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Wanderer Account closed
Registered: Apr 2003 Posts: 478 |
Quote: I just noticed that the aussie group Lithium that I was a member of for a short time in 1993 has also been deleted.
Yet another abused entry that is related to someone that a certain asshat has a grudge against.
I wanderer if anything can be done about this.
I wander if anything can be done to those who whine incessantly and let other people get them so worked up in a fit of anger that they make fake accounts to harass me on here.
Do you find yourself often acting out in fits of anger Damian? :)
Nevermind. I've had enough of your unfounded crap. You're blocked and can whine to whoever will listen to it.
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Slartibartfast Account closed
Registered: Jul 2002 Posts: 230 |
Sigh.
No, I have never created a fake account.
You can rest assured that you've abused a valuable scene resource and there will be no repercussions from the maintainers of it. There's no solid evidence against you.
Your behaviour speaks for itself, however, and apart from the few friends you claim to have supporting you in your tirade of repressed teenage angst, you can feel sure you've created a kind of sad infamy for yourself among the scene.
Congrats, may you get some therapy in that clinic you run sometime soon. |
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Fungus
Registered: Sep 2002 Posts: 752 |
Cyberpunx has been deleted, what the hell?
That's a really fucking lame thing to do.
I'm about to make a trip to canada, with my baseball bat, and whack some sense into an idiot.
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Ninja
Registered: Jan 2002 Posts: 418 |
Aaleksi Eeben got deleted, too. |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002 Posts: 1510 |
The repeated ocurrence of people mindlessly deleting info and releases from CSDb really makes me think if kind of a two-class membership should be introduced.
Class one allows Joe average to post in the forum and leave comments (maybe even make additions) whereas class two should be applied for by sceners who actively want to work on csdb and who will be given the right to delete entries. The status shouldn't be given to anyone that drops a mail saying "Hey, I'm Joe X, can I have class two membership", but should be evaluated carefully.
Well, just some food for thought and discussion. Would be nice to hear what the admins and other people think. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001 Posts: 1879 |
Quote: The repeated ocurrence of people mindlessly deleting info and releases from CSDb really makes me think if kind of a two-class membership should be introduced.
Class one allows Joe average to post in the forum and leave comments (maybe even make additions) whereas class two should be applied for by sceners who actively want to work on csdb and who will be given the right to delete entries. The status shouldn't be given to anyone that drops a mail saying "Hey, I'm Joe X, can I have class two membership", but should be evaluated carefully.
Well, just some food for thought and discussion. Would be nice to hear what the admins and other people think.
Nice idea, you could even combine it with my idea for 'flagged mutations' (class 1's mutations get flagged, class 2's mutations are performed right away) |
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Slartibartfast Account closed
Registered: Jul 2002 Posts: 230 |
Quote: The repeated ocurrence of people mindlessly deleting info and releases from CSDb really makes me think if kind of a two-class membership should be introduced.
Class one allows Joe average to post in the forum and leave comments (maybe even make additions) whereas class two should be applied for by sceners who actively want to work on csdb and who will be given the right to delete entries. The status shouldn't be given to anyone that drops a mail saying "Hey, I'm Joe X, can I have class two membership", but should be evaluated carefully.
Well, just some food for thought and discussion. Would be nice to hear what the admins and other people think.
That's a great idea, which would prevent this fake account tampering of entries and still allow the CSDb to evolve like it has over the years.
Possibly even three classes, with one just below admin type access for true scene gurus that have the time to maintain and correct entries if necessary.
This, combined with a page that allows users to check on recent changes, would definitely cut back on and possibly eliminate the abuse that CSDb has unfortunately seen several times now, and also reduce the workload of the admins in fixing accidentally removed entries and such. |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002 Posts: 1510 |
Yes, a simple page with "last deleted entries" would be enough to make us shout out loud when somebody messes around in the CSDb. Better than having to discover some random deletions like in this case by accident. |
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Perff Administrator
Posts: 1686 |
Actually a similar idea have been up before.
That idea was that when you create an account you get "class 1" status as you call it.
Then enough class 2 users must acknowledge the new user before he is upgraded.
Excatly how I'm not sure of yet, but I would very much like it to be automated in some way, so that me and the other admins doesn't have to check out all new accounts.
Exactly what permissions class 1 users have can be discussed. I think they should have more or less full rights, but as TDJ sugests their changes are public or something like that. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001 Posts: 3075 |
Quote: The repeated ocurrence of people mindlessly deleting info and releases from CSDb really makes me think if kind of a two-class membership should be introduced.
Class one allows Joe average to post in the forum and leave comments (maybe even make additions) whereas class two should be applied for by sceners who actively want to work on csdb and who will be given the right to delete entries. The status shouldn't be given to anyone that drops a mail saying "Hey, I'm Joe X, can I have class two membership", but should be evaluated carefully.
Well, just some food for thought and discussion. Would be nice to hear what the admins and other people think.
Incredibly cool idea Steppe! All newly registered people should pass some process of evaluation and all accounts which already did mess up with the database and their actions were rejected should get the status of "low-level" visitors. |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002 Posts: 1510 |
Perff: That doesn't sound too bad either, go for it!
CreaMD: I want my c64.sk back, bwuaaaaaaaaa! |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001 Posts: 3075 |
Quote: Actually a similar idea have been up before.
That idea was that when you create an account you get "class 1" status as you call it.
Then enough class 2 users must acknowledge the new user before he is upgraded.
Excatly how I'm not sure of yet, but I would very much like it to be automated in some way, so that me and the other admins doesn't have to check out all new accounts.
Exactly what permissions class 1 users have can be discussed. I think they should have more or less full rights, but as TDJ sugests their changes are public or something like that.
You could make list of registered people public (with ranks) where we can list it by rank or by date of registration. Aprroval checkbox would be on the side and submit button on the bottom.
Later this list could also contain various interesting info (like number of added entries, number of posts in forums, number of votings , etc.) |
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Perff Administrator
Posts: 1686 |
:)
So what we can agree on here is that we have to levels of users.
Class 1 users which are new, and Class 2 users which have full rights (the same as users have now).
The questions are:
1. What desides when a Class 1 user is upgradet to Class 2?
I don't want to check out all new accounts myself, and try to guess if they are for real or not. Neither do I think that a small selected group should do that.
My sugestion is that X number of Class 2 users must approve new users (perhaps a certain percentage). Any comments?
2. What are class 1 users allowed to do?
I still think it is very importaint that average Joe can come by CSDb, find his own entry here in CSDb (if its there) and go and fix it up/create it right away, and not have to wait for a long trial period.
But then there should at least be some possible way for class 2 users to check out these changes or something. Perhaps even undo'ing them?
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Oxbow
Registered: Dec 2001 Posts: 51 |
class 1 users can add anything, but only delete what they have added. |
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Tch Account closed
Registered: Sep 2004 Posts: 512 |
It would be very wise to have the delete-option disabled.
But the problem with voting for a Class 2 account makes it possible for a lamer to create i.e. 20 fake-accounts and vote himself into it.
Still I like the idea a lot.
I only hope I get enough votes. ;) |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001 Posts: 1879 |
Quote: It would be very wise to have the delete-option disabled.
But the problem with voting for a Class 2 account makes it possible for a lamer to create i.e. 20 fake-accounts and vote himself into it.
Still I like the idea a lot.
I only hope I get enough votes. ;)
Naah, because none of those fake accounts would be class 2, and so none of them would have any voting power ;) |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002 Posts: 1510 |
How about this:
Take yourself an hour, Perff, and raise the first 20-50 users to class 2 yourself. They should be easy to find in the db, just the usual suspects. Then make another ranking button in everybody's scener entry where at least 10 class 2 users have to set the APPROVED flag to make that class 1 user also class 2. Have the scener entry show something like "x approvals missing for class 2".
Another possibility would be to set a flag in one's userpage "make me class 2!" or something like that. The request would then show up on a separate page that class 2 users could check out from time to time and approve or disapprove.
Class 1 users should have the following right:
1. Read and post in the forum
2. Post comments.
3. Vote
4. Add anything, but only delete what they have added themselves. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001 Posts: 1879 |
Quote: How about this:
Take yourself an hour, Perff, and raise the first 20-50 users to class 2 yourself. They should be easy to find in the db, just the usual suspects. Then make another ranking button in everybody's scener entry where at least 10 class 2 users have to set the APPROVED flag to make that class 1 user also class 2. Have the scener entry show something like "x approvals missing for class 2".
Another possibility would be to set a flag in one's userpage "make me class 2!" or something like that. The request would then show up on a separate page that class 2 users could check out from time to time and approve or disapprove.
Class 1 users should have the following right:
1. Read and post in the forum
2. Post comments.
3. Vote
4. Add anything, but only delete what they have added themselves.
I like it, but it should be 'update' as well as 'delete' in #4. |
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Earthshaker
Registered: Sep 2002 Posts: 118 |
Quote: I like it, but it should be 'update' as well as 'delete' in #4.
No, also 'delete' because maybe when they add something which is fault, they should be able to also delete it. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001 Posts: 1879 |
Quote: No, also 'delete' because maybe when they add something which is fault, they should be able to also delete it.
That's why I wrote "as well" :) |
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Earthshaker
Registered: Sep 2002 Posts: 118 |
Quote: That's why I wrote "as well" :)
Oops, me an my fast replies... Forgive me please oh noble one. ;) |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003 Posts: 2013 |
All that 2/3 class system is actually a good idea which should be somehow implemtented.
Currently I am curious though, if the Admins can reproduce the amount of entries recently violated, if it would make sense to keep track (even if only for some time) on IP adresses and have people look over changelogs?
(Sure, if that is told here now, any 2cent brain idiot would use an anonymizer, but it could atleast easen life to track delete sessions by IP and such, or?)
l8r
Count Zero/CyberpunX/SCS*TRC
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002 Posts: 1510 |
So Perff, could you please restore Aleksi Eeben's scener entry? |