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Thunder.Bird
Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 112 |
Voting system hacked?
In the Top Demos section there is "Think Twice" on place 1. I don't think this is right. Maybe someone hacked the voting system? |
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Jon
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Registered: Apr 2005
Posts: 247 |
I think that is because there is only 7 votes, and the voting system doesn't account for total votes. Just the average of ALL votes.
-Ninj
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
/me awaits someone downvoting Think Twice just to make it dissapear from Top10 |
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Thunder.Bird
Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 112 |
np, but don't blame it on me then ;) Just to get it out of Top Demos, I voted 3 (and thats fair, I think!) |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Actually, I was sarcastic.
That's the usual way it goes here. |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
Voting 3 for Think Twice is definately not fair. |
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Thunder.Bird
Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 112 |
Hm, when I check the vote statistics for Top Demos (TD), 'World of Code 3' has only 6 votes and also shows up in the TD list on place 5. Maybe it would be safer to change the voting system to 15 (or more?) votes, to first show up in the TD.
btw. I changed my vote for 'Think Twice' to 7 (and thats really fair) |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
The whole system relies on aggregating and processing a large number of votes, which is IMO absolutely not an achievable aim for every product/scener/group/whatever on CSDb, as opposite to IMDb where most of the entries have at least 100 votes, and the weighted average actually makes some sense.
Look, just get used to it. Or vote as much you can to make it at least a tiny bit better.
Blackdroid is our hero! \:D/
Top 10 voters:
1. blackdroid 1478
2. bugjam 1113
3. Zyron 1050
4. Dishy 781
5. CyberBrain 758
6. Dwangi 756
7. Violator 592
8. Puterman 515
9. Jailbird 510
10. Tch 487
http://noname.c64.org/csdb/funstuff/stat.php?view=topvoters_all
Btw. this chart should be on the main page to motivate people for voting ;) |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Quoting Thunder.Birdbtw. I changed my vote for 'Think Twice' to 7 (and thats really fair)
And a 7 instead 3 brought it down from 9.7 to 9.4
You see, that's the way to downvote, just give it a higher rate! |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11523 |
suggesting that someone "hacked" the voting system only because he doesnt agree with its results is funny :=) we all know the voting is terribly flawed dont we? =) |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
Everyone should go on a voting frenzy. There are still lots of great groups & productions not included in the statistics bcoz of too few votes. So, get voting people! And vote fair! |
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Radiant
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 640 |
Voting more doesn't solve the problems with the algorithm, it just hides them better. Fuck with the downvoters instead of with the voting system. |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
If enough people gave reasonable votes it will surely make a difference. Most users are too lazy to vote, except the downvoters. That also has to change. |
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Jon
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Registered: Apr 2005
Posts: 247 |
I rarely vote unless I know the person or the product from the oldschool scene. Otherwise, it's just too damned political for my tastes.
-Ninj |
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Danzig
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 446 |
according to the AGE and the QUALITY of Think Twice it definately deserves a place high in the charts... one of the first productions that made me go WEEEEHHAAAA in the older dayz... remember its 1987! and the fld-upscroller is marvellous and the sound and the escos and style and and and... masterpiece :D
i still got the fld-upscroller-music in my ears for sooo fucking many years :) dedipp dede de dede de dede de de dedipp... |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
"dedipp dede de dede de dede de de dedipp..."?
Are you sure we're talking about the same demo? ;) |
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Danzig
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 446 |
shut up johan, you can handle a tracker, me not ;) it just tried it over 10 years ago and never did it again :P |
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Thunder.Bird
Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 112 |
LOL! I just learned one or another thing: 1. NEVER FORGET TO VOTE! 2. don't tell the people what you voted ;) |
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SECRET MAN
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Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 336 |
Johan: Downvoters like you?? |
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Thunder.Bird
Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 112 |
Quote: Johan: Downvoters like you??
(secret man wrote ^^^^^)
OMG! There's a WAR coming!!! ONTO THE MG's! INCOMING!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/39023207@N00/43852884/ |
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SECRET MAN
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Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 336 |
Nice Border Collie
I could bet that the name of this baby is stash. Im 100% sure
It drivels like Stash,so it must be stash |
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Thunder.Bird
Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 112 |
I think he is a she and not older than 12y, hehehe
The border collie of course!!! |
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Radiant
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 640 |
Zyron: Well, people don't. It's all nice and fine to talk about how great the system would work if people voted 4-8 times as much as they actually do, but it doesn't solve any problems. |
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Tch
Account closed
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 512 |
Seeing me on this list makes me wonder..
Bitching is TEH shit,voting means nothing?
No wonder there are so many lazy people out there.
Without some recognition it is hard to know where you stand.
Please dear sceners,atleast vote for recent stuff!
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
As I mentioned before, it would probably motivate people if they would be awarded for the votes, even symbolically. A more visible voters-chart, a rank system, something similar to "coup de coeur", whatever...
Personally, I'm voting nevertheless, but maybe it would help to extend the number of active voters. Just look at the race for glöps at Pouet as an example. |
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Radiant
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 640 |
...or we could just revert to using a normal average instead of a weighted one, until people start voting a lot. Kinda pointless to use "average" values if they're just weird, right? Eliminates the whole point of having it as a downvoting-proof system... |
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DRAX
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Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 225 |
Something that always have made me wonder what it means is: some people/products whatever are getting lots of votes and some aren't... What does it really mean... I realized that I am the musician that has got most votes (not highest though, damn)... Having received alot of votes makes it difficult to either go further up or down in the charts... That's kinda demotivating... it has for some reason always irritated me when a demo or whatever has received 6 votes and gets 9.8 or so... ;) ... And to be honest... I hate downvoters... I really want to know who downvoted me... (of course it didn't have any impact on my average)... Would be nice to characterize a downvoter... Didn't know that I had enemies... Eventhough I might have offended some people... Sorry for that... Would be nice of you to come forth... chickens ;) |
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Thunder.Bird
Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 112 |
On one side of the hand I agree with Jailbird that it could be more motivating to vote, if one gets 'points' like for the posts, but on the other hand the 'prices' for each ten (or more) votes shouldn't be very high, to avoid people to vote blindly, just for the best 'price'. Maybe a popup (oh no, thats some kinda spam), better a PM with a funny text or background info to one of the voted prods would do. Or one 'monthly highest vote show'!!!
The other thing is to change the voting system,
either to the so called 'normal average' or to some kind of 'percentual voting'.
And the very very importantst thing (what DRAX and Tch posted) is to give a prod a vote, if you checked it.
Don't klick to the next prod, leave the actual unvoted.
Even I did that klick-next-prod-without-vote, before I realized that this was crap.
This was exactly the point, why I started this topic!
One more thing to the 'downvoters', if they really exists (what I can't believe, but be warned, I'm a bit naive).
They haven't got a chance to 'downvote' a prod, if there are many votes for it.
*puh* that was much. Thank you for the audience. |
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Thunder.Bird
Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 112 |
I forgot something:
It would be easier for tohse, who vote too seldom, if the 'Vote'-pulldownmenu always is present in the menubar to the right :)
Ehm and my next posts will be shorter ;-) |
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dalezy
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 477 |
i had a hard time reading that formatted mess above :/ |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
I agree with you Thunder.Bird |
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Thunder.Bird
Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 112 |
ehm.... yes. learned from that ;) |
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scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1578 |
Quote: ehm.... yes. learned from that ;)
You should be downvoted for that!
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