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Fungus
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 686 |
Dear Staff
Hey, stop being nazi's hmmkay? Scene has never been censored, so don't start now. You can shove political correctness up your proverbial assholes. It does not belong and never will belong in the scene or any forum related to it. You want censorship take your asses over to LEMON.
Sincerely,
Fungus (Certified Asshole) |
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Matt
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 598 |
Lemon is less censored than the CSDb I bet ya! |
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Fungus
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 686 |
You know what I changed my mind.
Just close my account, I don't want to be involved in this site anymore. I read the rules and you even want to censor what people say in a public forum off site.
You can shove that straight up your asses.
Goodbye |
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TPM
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 110 |
I hate assholes, so bye! |
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Bitbreaker
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 508 |
?too less drama error
ready. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11385 |
that said, i'd really like to hear a good reason for why a comment that basically says "this sucks" has to be censored. ridiculous :) especially when it goes under a release that by all scene standards in existance definately and truely sucks donkey balls. |
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Fungus
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 686 |
Removal of comments for no reason, threats of ban for complaining about it.
What kind of bullshit is that?
"Be a friendly scener" ? You aren't the boss of me.
I try to keep things civil, but I will call something useless shit when I see it. Slapping an intro on something and making endless double/triple trainers doesn't make something scene. Any idiot with 1/4 of a brain can grab an intro maker and use poke listings to make a crap release.
The rules clearly state that such things are not scene and have no business being here. The site has literally been FLOODED with these bullshit spam releases for over a year now.
People are still adding entries for software developers, originals, new software by random developer X, and other stuff what has 0 to do with scene. Even though the rules state that this stuff is not wanted.
If the site doesn't follow it's own rules, why the FUCK should anyone else. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11385 |
if they'd stick to these rules, they could upload half of their "cracks", isnt that obvious? =) |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1648 |
I don't really see the problem with harsh comments as well. I mean, we're adults and are (well, should be) able to take our own stance towards things. No need for protection. There should be room for different kinds of opinions, including different ways of expressing those opinions. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
Personal hurt, caused by removed spittle. ✓
Dramatic departure. ✓
Gropeaz's sarcastic commment. ✓
Fungus: don't be an asshole" is a basic rule for commenting and discussion. But if you by any chance present yourself as an asshole, and are proud of it, it would be much better for you if you...
Smartass bullshit by me. ✓
Silly insulting meme. ✓ |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11385 |
Quote:sarcastic commment
it wasnt ment to be sarcastic. just match this years crack releases against those rules, you might be surprised :)
but yeah, the rules being there and 80% of the staff giving a shit about them is hilarious indeed. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
Are you able to work with someone from the "staff" who cares about such things and sort it out? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11385 |
able, sure. willing? no. its one of the major reasons for why i left the staff - because they are not able and/or willing to sort it out. i tried to do that more than once, and i have given up. sorry. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
Quoting FungusThe site has literally been FLOODED with these bullshit spam releases for over a year now.
If that is so, and you care, you should discuss it with someone from staff that cares too, and sort it out.
As far as my opinion is concerned. I never understood "the code" of cracking scene, and stopped caring about that long time ago. If there is need for this database to get into more purist mode of work for cracking scene, and there are people who are able and willing to maintain that, they should cooperate. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11385 |
if you (or any other of the staff) do not care - why dont you adjust those silly rules to reflect that then? apparently you guys are not even willing and/or able to do THAT. sad really. |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1648 |
I think the main issue here isn't what sucks and not or what standards that are followed or not followed, but the right to express different views on releases in the comment fields without getting censored. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11385 |
those are two seperate issues of course - not unrelated however =P |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
Quote: able, sure. willing? no. its one of the major reasons for why i left the staff - because they are not able and/or willing to sort it out. i tried to do that more than once, and i have given up. sorry.
Maybe the "cracking" releases should get it's own dedicated autocratic ADMIN elected by remaining members of the cracking scene who would keep the spirit of the cracking scene in this database unhurt by unworthy. What do you say? I think this is doable.
I know nothing, about cracking scene and I don't get it's attitude at all, and therefore I'm unable to feel compassion towards that. But I also think that if they want this part of database to work better for them, they need to maintain it themselves. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11385 |
no, it doesnt need all that. the _only_ thing it needs is the staff actually giving a shit about their own site rules and not violating them themselves all the time.
srsly, every time that topic comes up, the only reply is "we are not to blame". ridiculous. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
Quote: if you (or any other of the staff) do not care - why dont you adjust those silly rules to reflect that then? apparently you guys are not even willing and/or able to do THAT. sad really.
I don't care about cracking releases, but I do care about cracking scene having it's part of the scene database operating the way that is accepteable for them. They must be enforced by someone who cares, is willing to do it and has authority to represent the cracking scene. You know how it is, don't blame me. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4731 |
If we were to judge what is lame or not with every single release, we would have a lot to do, killing tons of lame ass releases from the 80ies and 90ies - many of them from well known group's first baby steps. The rules that CSDb has now is outdated, and we are unfortunately not completely happy with the new ones - but we are working on it. What can be said is that CSDb no longer is a first release site at all, thus the rules for crack qualities and so on are not interesting. Of course we want to encourage quality, but it is actually not CSDb:s work to act as judges, denying releases that might be interesting in the future. CSDb is and should be a Database. I am aware that some people think CSDb "is the scene", but it is not supposed to be. This place is supposed to be THE C64 Scene Database, and if people release lame stuff, lame stuff will be credited to them for all eternity. Without lamers no elite, right?
If you don't like Hackersoft releases, for example, ignore them. You don't have to download and run that crap (yes, I too think the releases are ridiculous, still I add them here - Vinnie is a part of Hokuto Force etc etc) and get a brain meltdown. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4731 |
Oh. One more thing: Originals and other non-scene elements should of course be killed at sight. Still: If originals have scener connections they can still be interesting for the database. Discussing that is something for the forums. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11385 |
Quote:The rules that CSDb has now is outdated, and we are unfortunately not completely happy with the new ones
AS IF they were "new rules".
it doesnt really matter what the rules are - as long as you respect them. if the staff doesnt respect them, why should anyone else?
and yes, i know how it works creamd. nothing ever gets done, because of talking and more talking and noone willing to stand up for anything. another reason for why i left.
(_I_ dont object hackersoft releases being here btw. i _do_ object removing comments about them though)
Quote:If originals have scener connections they can still be interesting for the database. Discussing that is something for the forums.
discussing anything related to why a specific release or scener or whatnot belongs here is certainly the most silly idea ever - unless the supposed goal is to spawn more drama and procrastinate actual decisions until forever. |
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Fungus
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 686 |
CreamD: "Asshole" is what other people coined me, since I am not offended by it, I picked it up and ran with it.
I speak my mind, pure and simple. It is not "whining" as you put it. Perhaps you don't understand the meaning of the word, you can however consult any dictionary you like.
I don't appreciate censorship, I am not a comment troll either. Comments getting removed without so much as even an explanation for no reason other than SOMEONE didn't like it. Again, it's bullshit.
You don't understand the cracking scene or rules, we know, we see that, in fact you plainly don't want to understand and do not care. Fine, then step away from dealing with it. But maybe you can be made to understand, how about a basic "demo" that someone has typed in from a magazine and uploaded. Or perhaps someone rants of bullshit in a scrolltext done with some readily available demo maker. Are these a scene demo to you? Of course not, and that is exactly how such crap releases are viewed by the cracking scene. The rules for releases are well goddamn established over the years and are known by ANY cracker. Ignoring them means the release made is either just for fun (not scene) , a fake release (borderline troll) or a troll release to which you also have rules and also aren't officially scene releases. They are not and never were covered in charts for points, and uploading them could get you banned on some boards for uploading crap for download credits. Suffice to say your ignorance, or any staff members ignorance of how the cracking scene works is NO excuse.
If you like it or not, CSDB is part of the scene, declaring your separation from it is total nonsense. If you want to purely be a database, remove all comments and sub forums that don't relate explicitly to information correction about a given release and act like an actual database. If you can't do that then relax the rules and accept it is a place where sceners and non-sceners come to discuss everything and express their opinions and thoughts, GOOD OR BAD.
/End Rant |
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Beastifire
Account closed
Registered: Mar 2013
Posts: 40 |
Tl;dr The cracking scene is dysfunctional and needs group theraphy, just like in 1987 or 1993. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
<Post edited by CreaMD on 19/12-2015 22:04>
Fungus, I'm pro-moderation. Because I think discussions and comments are for exchange of ideas and opinions on themes and topics, not for insulting and trashing each other. So if you express your opinion in civilized non-assholish way (sic) , I totally for keeping it in the comments or forums.
But also, I accept the need for part of the scene having it's part kept the way they consider it serious. And therefore I think, a maintainer who is able to keep it that way, is needed.
It's actually needed much more than in demoscene part of the CSDB, because there it seems to grew into "everything-goes" attitude, which can't be reverted so easily without causing controversy. For every removed crap release there would be some hero "voice" defending it. I'm pretty sure. This part of "keepin the true spirit of scene" is imo doomed for eternity. Cracking scene is smaller, so it still has chance, it needs strong hand though. |
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Fungus
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 686 |
That's besides the point, also some demo sceners we all know are bat shit crazy. |
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Fungus
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 686 |
I am only pro moderation if it is to stop illegal activity or obvious trolling. Otherwise it's just not your call to make. |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 520 |
hey mighty Sgnufus, nice to see ya back for the 74629th time :)
my own personal opinion about all this: *any* comment about *any*thing on *any* forum that gets removed by *any*one for *any* reason is plain lame. we are killing our freedom by ourselves, fuck that. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
Fungus, I didn't remove your post, but you should understand that if an otherwise perfectly reasonable post contains 4-letter word it might get removed and that It's not an invitation for even more insulting rewrite (also not censored by me). I think it wouldn't hurt the overall message or your image, if you used different words second time. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11385 |
perhaps after "demo mode" we need "pussy mode" as well then. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
Gropeaz's sarcastic commment. ✓ |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11385 |
"Ein Zyniker ist ein Schuft, dessen mangelhafte Wahrnehmung Dinge sieht wie sie sind, statt wie sie sein sollten."
<Ambrose Bierce>
edit: translation/original: "Cynic, n: a blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
well if you ask me sometimes its good not to be part of the dramah :) love you all, keep bitching guys :) |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1648 |
Fuck? Fuck off? Fuck that! |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11385 |
at least learn the difference between a sarcastic remark and cynism, instead of writing off everything as sarcasm that invades your comfort zone and would otherwise require you to actually do something. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4731 |
Looking at Fungus initial comment that was censored (I don't know who censored it), it is quite harsh, but should not have been censored in my view. Fungus think Hackersoft releases sucks big floppy donkey dick, more or less, and he writes that. Nothing wrong with that statement? |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
I think it's perfectly appropriate to use the word shit in a comment on a release you think is crap. I also think it's totally incorrect to censor comments like that and will restore it. |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 520 |
mighty ZZzZzzzyron!! \o/ |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1648 |
@Zyron: Good to hear! :) |
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Maxlide
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 31 |
I think Fungman is totally correct with the things he said (perhaps I would have chose other words than he did) and thanks to Zyron who corrected this. |
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Fungus
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 686 |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4731 |
I hearby close this thread. Let the Dolphin show the way... |
