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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Transparent submitting
In the last few days there have been several new, very incomplete entries, like cracks with only a name, a demo with a name & screenshot but no group etc. Appearantly these have been added by people who either don't understand the system, or don't care.
Since I know that it's possible for a select few (the staff, some 'trusted' visitors) to see who has added what, I'm wondering why this information isn't public. I realize we had a similair discussion when it came to the voting, but in this case the biggest argument against that (people who were afraid to vote because others might get angry with them) doesn't hold ground.
Unless ofcourse you're stupid enough to add just a name and nothing else, in which case you should burn in hell :) |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 954 |
Hurray.. Hell is the right place for tough hackers like us..
Im not sure if transparancy will help prevent half entries being entered.. it only makes the idea of being send to hell by you a lot more exciting.. |
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hollowman
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 474 |
both tdj and zyron seem to be angry, so i think that argument does hold ground |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
That's plain stupid, right. Transparent submitting should be enabled, also because it would enable people to write PMs or emails to submitters to ask questions like "Are you sure there's yet another scener with the handle X, or have you just overseen handle id XY?". |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570 |
I totally agree with TDJ. Sometimes I almost eat myself up because the crap people upload; entries with complete disks with 10 demos instead of selecting the entry itself.
What about quality control/entry moderation?
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iopop
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 317 |
And as usual I agre with TDJ.
About quality control/moderating. I suggested to Cyberbrain or Perff a while ago having a moderating system like on discogs.com. Where you as a new member are not allowed to add that much entries in the begining but after submitting stuff you gets more points which makes you being able to enter more and more entries.
Also each submitted entry are verified by the moderators giving yes/no on the submitted entry, 5 moderator yes makes it a public entry. on a given no to an entry the moderator can give comments on what to change.
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 954 |
Quote: I totally agree with TDJ. Sometimes I almost eat myself up because the crap people upload; entries with complete disks with 10 demos instead of selecting the entry itself.
What about quality control/entry moderation?
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I do that too, complete disks, but I refer to the same disk if its allready available.. Zipped d64 are not that big anyway.. |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
Being a long-time submitter on discogs.com I agree with iopop here, some kind of moderation-system might be needed to keep the database accurate & make sure bogus entries are kept out.
Last night I did a search on all demos without a file & got pretty upset to lots of entries that had nothing more than a demo name added. Some of the demos had such special names that I could easily find out which ones they were and add the missing info, f.ex. a couple of CFA demos. |
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Tch
Account closed
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 512 |
I totally agree with the previous posts.
If someone feels like contributing,that´s cool!! 8)
But compare it to driving a car...
Sit down and put the key in. (entering the release)
Hit the accelerator. (upload the file)
Use the steeringwheel. (enter the details)
Shift gear. (enter the credits)
Hit the brake. (upload a screenshot)
Ofcourse it is nice to sit in a car..
But to get things moving... ;)
Ps..So where is the copper? ;P |
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iopop
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 317 |
The only negative thing about the "discogs" style is that it will cause a slight delay when submitting brand new releases, since people have to valite every entry before they become public.
A solution to this could be that releases with release date not older than 7 days automatically by-passes the valitdation process and becomes public directly. This will ofcourse not stop people from submitting crap, but atleast they have to fill out the date... |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
Or, users known to submit correct information could add releases unmoderated. |
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Tch
Account closed
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 512 |
Quote: Or, users known to submit correct information could add releases unmoderated.
I second that! ;) |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
Accurate information should be the main goal in any database. |
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Graham
Account closed
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 990 |
/me votes for transparent submitting. |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 954 |
I dont see any use for transparant voting, besides pointing fingers, which does not solve anything.
But a second opinion sort of routine could maybe help get the minimum amount of info. This would create a que list though, with releases waiting to be accepted by the second opinion.
Oh.. how about the locked entries? |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
Before opening another thread I think I continue here, even if my question/request only halfway fits in here:
Perff, could you add that disk icon to the list of own additions on the userpage? I'd like to verify if I added download links to all of them. Sometimes you get interrupted, you know, and forget to add the download link later on.
EDIT: Well, on second thought that question doesn't fit at all in here... ;-) |
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Perff
Administrator
Posts: 1679 |
Something like this?
http://noname.c64.org/csdb/userpage/additions.php |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
Ha! You're my man! :-) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
transparent submitting would be nice, and is much more needed than transperent voting (voting is a gimmick anyway).
as for locked entries, it would be very nice if i could have a list of ppl that i trust which automatically become maintainers of everything i lock. that would save a lot of work.
and there should also be some kind of mechanism that lets locked entries "expire" if someone else requests "editing rights" (or whatever you call it) on a certain entry via PM on csdb, and doesnt get an answer (not necessarily actual rights to edit) within a certain timeframe. that would prevent entries from beeing locked permanently and no further chance for anyone else to edit them. |
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Tch
Account closed
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 512 |
Don´t know if this is hard to implement..
Maybe it ought to be impossible to lock anything that only has a filename and group-credits,but no download-link?
I am not surprised when someone has a file,but the entry is locked,to simply forget about trying to add it. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
yeah, making the locking mechanism more selective would be another good idea. eg for sceners, only lock "personal" info. for releases, only prevent info from beeing deleted/changed, but make it possible to add anything that is missing.... etc |
