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Cyberad
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Releases cracked by an individual not a group
I've been trying to add in some entries that were cracked by individuals and not groups, such as Bruce Lee (1984). I've noticed that for a C64 Crack, you can add multiple groups and it will say "Released by ..." and list the groups; you can't do such a thing for a specific person.
Am I missing anything here? Shouldn't there be a way to list a release by an individual?
-cr/rpg |
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Wanderer
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1) "Add credit"
2) "Choose a scener"
3) "Credits for release"
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
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Quote: I've been trying to add in some entries that were cracked by individuals and not groups, such as Bruce Lee (1984). I've noticed that for a C64 Crack, you can add multiple groups and it will say "Released by ..." and list the groups; you can't do such a thing for a specific person.
Am I missing anything here? Shouldn't there be a way to list a release by an individual?
-cr/rpg
It should, but there isn't.
Check how it is done for 1103 for instance. He released a lot of cracks under his own name. |
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Perff
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When we thought up the structure of the database of CSDb we didn't think about that a release could be released by a single person, but that it is always released by a group. Sceners can only be credited for a release - not directly release it.
Over the years we had a lot of complaints of this, especially on graphics and music, because those are mostly done by single individuals, so we made a hack for those release-types, which would display the person credited for the release as the one who have released it if no release-groups were attached. Nasty hack..
Well.. How many other release-forms can one think of as could be released by single individuals? All? Perhaps a re-design is in place here. :/
Comments? |
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Jetboy
Registered: Jul 2006
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Lets asume that all release types could be released by person. That way we would get consistent system.
Of course if there is a feature it doesnt have to be used, but when it becomes needed it is already in place.
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
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Yes, all forms.
I release my stuff with no group for instance.
As a workaround we could decide to create placeholder groups with the same name as the scener, and a comment saying it is a placeholder for that particular scener.
(which has already been done for many compunet coops, Ian & Mic, ...) |
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Perff
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Ok. One question left.
I think the solution would be to simply make it possible to attach sceners as "released by" (adding another cross-table between releases and sceners), and make a little extra code in the "add released by" so that one can select a scener also.
But what if someone selects both a group (or more) and a scener (or more)? Should they be listed on top of eachother, or should it only be possible to either add groups OR sceners, and not both?
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
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The new system must allow for selecting any combination of group and scener to be selected as the releasing party.
Preferably it should be selectable (via template?) how the combination, if any, should be written. (i.e Ian & Mic, Ash+Dave, etc...)
Also any group or scener (or combination) must also be able to be credited for coding, graphics, etc... (i.e Music by Maniacs of Noise)
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
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@perff: I posted while you where writing.
I think your solution is a good compromise for now.
I prefer a comma separated list with sceners first and groups last.
Allow any combination. |
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Perff
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Ok. We take the simple solution for startes. Shouldn't take to long to fix, but there will undoubtably be a lot of places where there are "released by" where I forget to fix the code, so it won't display sceners and lot of other stuff, but that we can fix over time i guess? |
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Perff
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Ok. done. (quick one this time. :) )
However it was done VERY quick, so it's only fixed on the release-page. Everywhere else in CSDb it will not be displayed if a scener is set to have released something.
But that will come in time... :)
PS. Hope my boss dosn't notice what I spend my working hours on. :)
Edit: I fixed a few more places now, but still far from done. Hope however that I got the most importaint places fixed. |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1787 |
It works! Blitter Scroll :) |
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Cyberad
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Wow! I never expected such a quick fix!
I've already updated the entries I made, deleting where appropriate (e.g.: I created new entries for already existing releases to release under a single person; I've now tied that person to an existing release and deleted my creation).
Cheers!
-cr |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
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@cr: I don't understand what bit-bug has todo with this release: Bruce Lee. From what I can see this is the Crackman version.
Please explain! |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
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Nice hack, really needed. Now there's a ton of updates to do though... |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: Nice hack, really needed. Now there's a ton of updates to do though...
Idea:
if (release.getProducersCount() == 1) {
release.setReleaser (release.getProducer[0]);
}
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
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You can't be serious? |
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Tch
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The idea is ok,but I´m affraid it won´t be that easy.. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: The idea is ok,but I´m affraid it won´t be that easy..
Eh dude .. I do this stuff for a living. Believe me: it's easy. |
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Tch
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Quote: Eh dude .. I do this stuff for a living. Believe me: it's easy.
I was thinking about possible side-effects. ;)
Unconfirmed credits and the shit.. |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
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I also believe that there will be side effects. I can't find any examples right now though.
My gut feeling tells me that this must be done manually, otherwise parts of the database will be filled with incorrect information. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Okay .. before people take my suggestion *too* seriously .. I just wanted to show you that there's at least a way to make a list of all *candidates* for such releases. Ofcourse they should be checked manually. Shees, do you guys think I'm an idiot or something?
Wait, don't answer that. |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
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Quote: Okay .. before people take my suggestion *too* seriously .. I just wanted to show you that there's at least a way to make a list of all *candidates* for such releases. Ofcourse they should be checked manually. Shees, do you guys think I'm an idiot or something?
Wait, don't answer that.
:)
In retrospect, maybe you should have written it was for generating a list of candidates in the first place? |
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Perff
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Just did a simple sql-query. That candidate list has 10088 releases on it!! Who want the first 1000? :)
Edit: If i then sort out those who already got a group attached as releaser, we get down to 2074. :) |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: :)
In retrospect, maybe you should have written it was for generating a list of candidates in the first place?
Nope, I prefer to nudge people in the right direction instead of just telling them what to do ;) |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
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I would help. But still waiting on:
BBS entry
Removal of idiot WDR/growing balls (if needed to do it) |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
Since it was possible with a simple(?) hack to add sceners as releaser of something, would it also be possible with another hack to let us credit groups for f.ex. music on a release? |
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Perff
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I must first of all point out that the "hack" i made for it to be possible to add sceners as releasers of a release, is nowhere complete yet. What I made was the most basic of it for it to work. I bet you can find a LOT of places in CSDb where this new thing is not supported in one way or another, so there is still hours of work to do.
So to make another hack like it should be very carefully thought through.
So is this really nessesary? |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
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Quote: I must first of all point out that the "hack" i made for it to be possible to add sceners as releasers of a release, is nowhere complete yet. What I made was the most basic of it for it to work. I bet you can find a LOT of places in CSDb where this new thing is not supported in one way or another, so there is still hours of work to do.
So to make another hack like it should be very carefully thought through.
So is this really nessesary?
It is necessary, but like you say think it through carefully before you implement it.
IMO groups/sceners should be able to be used interchangeably.
This way credits can be given to groups and groups can be members of groups. (although it's probably wise not to allow groups to be members of sceners :) |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
entity relationship design 101 |
