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CyberBrain
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Turrican III / Smash Level 3-1 Video
Someone added this non-C64 release to the database. It's a DivX-clip of the upcummin turrican 3. I deleted it again, but just wanted to post the link to the clip:
http://home.arcor.de/sceneworld/level3-1.AVI
it was made 5. April 2004
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Sorry, thought C64 Misc was okay O:-) |
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zdzisek
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 33 |
Live: Vision 2003 - accordingly, this should be deleted as well. |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Well, Bjarke & Mariusz, why don't we keep that stuff under C64Misc.? It is supposed to be C64 Misk, that video report and the C64 Turrican III video!
Thanks!
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Oh and so, you would have to release the most drunken c64 scener, the Dienstagstreff Misc, etc.
Cyber get serious, keep it all C64 Misc like it is supposed to be!!! Please!! |
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CyberBrain
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"C64 Misc." was originally supposed to be for *C64 RELEASES* that didn't fit into the other categories. It was not intended for PC/MP3/Movie-releases that had some kind of C64-theme.
If there should be such category it should be called "Misc" without the "C64" or something like that. But i fear that it would just clutter up the database - i think it would be best to leave that kind of stuff to lemon64, remix64, ...
What do you guys think? |
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Cybernator
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 154 |
Btw, which codec is needed for this AVI? |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Quote: "C64 Misc." was originally supposed to be for *C64 RELEASES* that didn't fit into the other categories. It was not intended for PC/MP3/Movie-releases that had some kind of C64-theme.
If there should be such category it should be called "Misc" without the "C64" or something like that. But i fear that it would just clutter up the database - i think it would be best to leave that kind of stuff to lemon64, remix64, ...
What do you guys think?
I don't agree with the deletion!
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Quote: Btw, which codec is needed for this AVI?
DIVX!
http://www.divx.com |
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CyberBrain
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Posts: 392 |
Quote: Live: Vision 2003 - accordingly, this should be deleted as well.
Yes there are pretty many "Other Platform C64 Misc." (or whatever) releases in the "C64 Misc." category.. According to the idea behind C64 Misc, they should be deleted.
Do we want all those PC/MP3/Movie/Fun-things in CSDb? Don't you guys think it would just clutter up the database with a lot of non-C64 retro-stuff? |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
No.
Keep the database as clean as possible. |
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Earthshaker
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 118 |
Just delete it. There are other sites for this stuff. |
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Pater Pi
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Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 121 |
No problem with deleting the stuff. My Breakpoint03 Wild Compo entry doesn't really fit into this database as well (but I didn't put it in here, so blame somebody else (: ) |
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Hurrican
Registered: Oct 2003
Posts: 10 |
Hey guys, not so fast! The two mentioned releases are neither mp3's-remixes, nor "nostalgia-stuff". The show *new* C64-software (and hardware). Doesn't that qualify as advancing the C64-scene?
And if you want to "keep the database clean" (whatever that's supposed to mean), then just create a more fitting category instead of deleting stuff. |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Quote: Hey guys, not so fast! The two mentioned releases are neither mp3's-remixes, nor "nostalgia-stuff". The show *new* C64-software (and hardware). Doesn't that qualify as advancing the C64-scene?
And if you want to "keep the database clean" (whatever that's supposed to mean), then just create a more fitting category instead of deleting stuff.
Man man, Hurrican, you are so right! Exactly the way how I meant it! So, do not delete such entries with useful stuff, instead the "Most Drunken Scener" entry which is quite useless should get removed... but that's only my personal opinion!
But Hurrican is totally right, thank you :D |
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Merman
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 140 |
Well, I remember other "off topic" releases like the Commodore Safety Jacket and the carved Pumpkins that were allowed on to the database... So I think a video of a future game project should be allowed to stay.
However, there should be some strict rules. As Cyberbrain said, sites like remix64 are best for MP3s/remixes. If it's posted here, it should be scene related in some way. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: Hey guys, not so fast! The two mentioned releases are neither mp3's-remixes, nor "nostalgia-stuff". The show *new* C64-software (and hardware). Doesn't that qualify as advancing the C64-scene?
And if you want to "keep the database clean" (whatever that's supposed to mean), then just create a more fitting category instead of deleting stuff.
Creating new categories just means more stuff that shouldn't be here. CSDB should only contain info about products that run on a c64, those that create it (and can be considered part of the scene) and scene-related events. Anything else just clutters up the database.
And yes, imho that goes for covers too. What's next, a category for swapping-letters? I've got some great ones by Bagder & Cycleburner, maybe they'll wind up in the top 10 :) |
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Earthshaker
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 118 |
At the startpage from CSDB stands:
"A site dedicated to gathering as much information as possible about the productions, the groups, the sceners and the events in the Commodore 64 scene."
That doesn't mean that i have to add videos with someone coding a demo, etc. Only infos on productions and other scene related things.
Just my two cents. |
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Hurrican
Registered: Oct 2003
Posts: 10 |
You say it:
"A site dedicated to gathering as much information as possible about the productions, the groups, the sceners and the events in the Commodore 64 scene."
IMHO that includes coverage, being information about productions. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: You say it:
"A site dedicated to gathering as much information as possible about the productions, the groups, the sceners and the events in the Commodore 64 scene."
IMHO that includes coverage, being information about productions.
Yes, but in this case you're talking about information (the csbd entry) about information (the coverage). And me thinks that's one level too deep.
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Oxidy
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Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 80 |
Ed and Joe are working on a demo that will be called L'Encyclopédie Géométrique, and they have been for several years. Before starting any code and gfx-making on the c64 they spent a considerable amount of time between 1995-1999 on the video version, which should be considered a blue print for the demo to come. The video version was made using the C64, Amiga-computers and various other electronics. I consider this worth mentioning in CSDB, since it's very much scene related.
Here's the csdb link:
http://noname.c64.org/csdb/release/?id=11760&show=summary
@Cyberbrain:
Is this scene related or not?
If not, then perhaps CSDB should be renamed to CRDB - (The c64 release database).
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: Ed and Joe are working on a demo that will be called L'Encyclopédie Géométrique, and they have been for several years. Before starting any code and gfx-making on the c64 they spent a considerable amount of time between 1995-1999 on the video version, which should be considered a blue print for the demo to come. The video version was made using the C64, Amiga-computers and various other electronics. I consider this worth mentioning in CSDB, since it's very much scene related.
Here's the csdb link:
http://noname.c64.org/csdb/release/?id=11760&show=summary
@Cyberbrain:
Is this scene related or not?
If not, then perhaps CSDB should be renamed to CRDB - (The c64 release database).
Cool, let me add Sander's 'Timewaster' screensaver to csdb too then .. plus his flash animations we sometimes use to communicate a demo idea .. and what about the emails in which we discuss ideas? :)
CRDB - not really, because there's sceners & events in here as well .. |
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Oxidy
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Quote: Cool, let me add Sander's 'Timewaster' screensaver to csdb too then .. plus his flash animations we sometimes use to communicate a demo idea .. and what about the emails in which we discuss ideas? :)
CRDB - not really, because there's sceners & events in here as well ..
We consider L'Encyclopédie Géométrique [Video Version] to be a release. Perhaps you do the same with your email conversations. I haven't seen or read them, so I'm not the right person to judge them. |
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CyberBrain
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I don't know... hmm.. well...
A release in CSDb is a C64-scene-release (that rules out TDJ's swap-mails :) They're C64-scene, but not releases). Other parts of C64-scene-history are written as trivia etc.. (except ofcause the group-, scener-, event-part of history). Those videos you guys are talking about should maybe be mentioned in a trivia instead - including an URL to 'em.
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For example:
This Turrican video, i think, belongs in a comments (like "production notes") for the real turrican 3 release, once it's finished. I don't think even AEG would call this video a Smash Design release :)
The vision video, maybe should be an "external link" for the vision party.
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The question is: what is a release? (is a website a release for example? It has also been coded and can be about the c64-scene)
When it comes down to it, think about this: Do you consider a video-file a *release* in the C64-scene?
(...and if a video-file is a release, a flash-intro must be a release too, and so on. If a video is a C64-scene-release a whole lot of other stuff are suddently C64-scene-releases aswell, so this is not just a small question) |
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Oxidy
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Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 80 |
CyberBrain:
I can sense hours with semantics and definitions about this c-64 scene database and what it should contain.
This Wrath Designs video file is a demo, thus in my view a release. A very much c64-scene related such.
Of course I could have added it as trivia, but to what? The actual demo has not been released yet, and might not be for several years to come.
If it was AEG who put up the T-III preview on CSDb it's strange if he added it as a release, and he at the same time didn't consider it to be a release.
Reply to your question:
I don't consider _any_ video file to be a release in the C64-scene. I do however think that a demo using the C64, presented in another format _could_ be. Much like Global Trash II by Kyd & Balle/The Silents in December 91 in my eyes is an Amiga release eventhough it was released as a video file.
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VoDKa
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 32 |
Off topic, but no Amiga was used in "Global Trash 2".
Anyway, I would vote NO to linking non c64-based production in the database. A post in the forum should be enough. Or use pouet.net for linking other platform relzes. |
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Oxidy
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Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 80 |
VDK:
Hmm, ok. My memory let me down. At least Global Trash was made with an Amiga. Then, someone might enlight me about what equipment they used for Global Trash II. Read something about the equipment of some TV-station. Anyway, I still have the vhs-"copy-of-a-copy-of-a-copy" of this demo that I brought home from a party. It was really mindblowing for its time.
Well, I can't see what harm they do, but if everyone feel so strongly about it, then use your magic finger and delete the entry. |
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Seven
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 202 |
ahem... Story of Shining8 - The Movie anyone? |
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Stryyker
Registered: Dec 2001
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Ok, delete that entry too. Maybe someone can create a collection of them online muck like RKO (C64 tunes remixed and are not playable on C64). |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
We are really speaking about simply deleting entries? Oh well, how down we came to just destroy others' work which has been in the database for almost 3 years without bothering anyone. At least, it did cost time/energy and effort do built this database and yes, even to add such entries.
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cadaver
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1160 |
Yes.. and the commercial games with no scene-relation should go as well. Maybe some fiendish script for that purpose?
If the others' work is off-topic for the database, why should there be any consideration, based on some sentimental or courtesy-reasons? Rather, those who added the stuff should have thought twice before adding :) |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
wasn't a SMan enough??? |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
Nafcom, you're seeing it from a little wrong perspective, me thinks. It's not about the work and effort that it cost people to add insignificant releases. I could add a couple of PC demos and it would surely be a lot of work for me to do this. The point is that PC demos don't belong here in the first place. (Yeah, yeah, it's not about PC demos, it was just an example for something so completely off the track I could imagine).
But in principle I don't mind too much having the odd scene-related release here which doesn't run on a real C64. The Turrican video surely doesn't fall in that category. The Shining8 or the WD video do. |
