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Bizzmo
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Best Format to distribute demos etc?
I've recently retrieved my C64 (and 300+ floppies from the loft) and have found a whole load of music, demos etc from 1988 - 1992 that I'm sure people would be interested in.
So, not that I've got my hands on a XM1541 cable and can transfer all this stuff to the PC, what are everyone's preferences for the way to distribute this stuff?
Obviously if it's a multi-part demo, then it's obvious that you just use a .d64 disk image...
But what about small stand alone files... music with players etc? Just distribute the .prg or what?
Any advice would be appreciated!
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Twoflower
Registered: Jan 2002
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Just .d64 it all, and spread the disks which you feel would be fit to spread. A complete D64 often gives another dimension to it, as it puts the file into a context of other files (like f.ex a spreaddisk) and the correct filename. If you really don't want to use D64's, then please use T64's so that the filenames are preserved. |
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Graham
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Definitely D64 for everything. This gives a 1:1 copy of the disks and doesn't destroy anything. |
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TDJ
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For spreading I agree with the gentlemen above. For my demo collection personally I put every demo on a seperate .d64 file. Unfortunately this takes up quite a lot of diskspace, I'm eagerly awaiting a winvice version that can handle 'zipped' .d64 files :) |
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MacGyver
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I agree with TDJ. Single file stuff is fine in a D64 as well. There are many viewers for D64 files, but I'm not aware of any viewer for T64s... |
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Tch
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Quote: I agree with TDJ. Single file stuff is fine in a D64 as well. There are many viewers for D64 files, but I'm not aware of any viewer for T64s...
You serious?
Even I know you simply drag it into VICE and it works. ;) |
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Earthshaker
Registered: Sep 2002
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Same as TDJ for me, i convert everything in D64 format and then zip it, then it takes up not much more space than prg or t64.
Whole disks would be even better. |
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Graham
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Space problems in the age of 400 GB harddisks? |
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TDJ
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Quote: Space problems in the age of 400 GB harddisks?
Money problems in the age of 400 GB harddisks. I only have 120 gig, and collect a lot of stuff like music, movies & comics, so I need every gig I can spare. |
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Earthshaker
Registered: Sep 2002
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Quote: Space problems in the age of 400 GB harddisks?
And i would like to burn to dvd. |
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tlr
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Quote: For spreading I agree with the gentlemen above. For my demo collection personally I put every demo on a seperate .d64 file. Unfortunately this takes up quite a lot of diskspace, I'm eagerly awaiting a winvice version that can handle 'zipped' .d64 files :)
What's wrong with gnuzip? That already works perfectly in WinVICE. |
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TDJ
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Quote: What's wrong with gnuzip? That already works perfectly in WinVICE.
Hmm, didn't know that. Still I'd prefer "normal" zip, as that one's easier to use. |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
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My two cents would be "normal zip" and in a d64 image. Most of the mags on mags.c64.org are in this format (with exceptions such as .prg files).
Priority #1 is to get the stuff that is not available on the net converted. This seems to be the biggest hurdle for most people.
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Stryyker
Registered: Dec 2001
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I'm sure the VICE people had docs on which zip plugig/application could be installed and configured so WinVICE could handle zipped D64s. I did hav it working once until I updated WinVICE a few times and got lazy. |
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tlr
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Quote: Hmm, didn't know that. Still I'd prefer "normal" zip, as that one's easier to use.
"normal" is somewhat easier to use when _creating_ the image. gnuzip is easier to use afterwards, because it works right out of the box in VICE. :) Winzip has no problems unzipping them if you wish to do that. gnuzipped images (.gz) are easier to handle in the tools because they contain only one file. This means they can be handled exactly the same way as a regular d64.
Although, I think that a .zip option would be great if it allowed you to put several .d64's into a .zip, and automatically put them into VICE's flip-list. |
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Bizzmo
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Thanks for all the feedback - I guess .d64 is the way to go! ;-)
Did a massive transfer session last night and it appears that there are more damaged discs than I thought. Found quite a bit of my stuff that hasn't ever seen the light of day though!
A follow on question then...
When adding releases to the CSDb.. do you upload the same .d64 for everything on the same disc or is it best practice to create separate .d64's for each?
Thanks again for the comments. |
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Tch
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Greetings Bizzmo,
it is possible to upload a D64 once and then give all the programs the same download link.
Most people prefer it this way and it saves you a lot of time. |
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MacGyver
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I'd prefer separated .d64's for each ;) |
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Bizzmo
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Haha.. Goes to show you can't please everyone all the time! ;-) |
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TDJ
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Quote: I'm sure the VICE people had docs on which zip plugig/application could be installed and configured so WinVICE could handle zipped D64s. I did hav it working once until I updated WinVICE a few times and got lazy.
So stop being lazy, find out how it's done and tell us!!
(Yes, I'm even lazier than you) |
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Earthshaker
Registered: Sep 2002
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Quote: So stop being lazy, find out how it's done and tell us!!
(Yes, I'm even lazier than you)
I would also be very grateful if you could find out.
(and i'm even lazier than the both of you) |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: I would also be very grateful if you could find out.
(and i'm even lazier than the both of you)
Pfah, I could give you numerous examples of why I'm lazier than you, but I just can't be bothered, that's how lazy I am. |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
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Bizzmo: d64 is nice. But winzipped d64 is even cooler.
Loking forward to your uploads!
By the way, do you have old paper mags? Like Iguana, Nails etc?
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Bizzmo
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I have no paper mags now. I used to have a massive stack of them, but my dad made me throw them all out many many years ago! sorry! |
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Jazzcat
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Damn, what a pity! So hard to find them and preserve them.
We must preserve! :)
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Graham
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Bizzmo, send the disks to Slator, he is always ready and willing to transfer lot's of disks. |
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Acidchild
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hehe, me too :) |
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Bizzmo
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Well things are going ok so far! I've gone through about a third of my discs and transferred all the ones that read as .d64s...
Got another two hundred to go through, but I'm getting there!
Bizz. |
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Earthshaker
Registered: Sep 2002
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Quote: Well things are going ok so far! I've gone through about a third of my discs and transferred all the ones that read as .d64s...
Got another two hundred to go through, but I'm getting there!
Bizz.
Is there any chance of getting them as soon as you're ready? |
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Bizzmo
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I think you're expecting too much from my collection! Still, I will make as much available as soon as possible! Promise! |
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Jazzcat
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Bizzmo, I my guess is you will have a lot of whats already on the net, but also bits and pieces no one has online. Heheh.
Amazing what you can find amongst those disks, I was looking for something yesterday and stumbled across two cracks from Nukebusters and a few demos that were not on the net. Heheh. Without even trying. |
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Earthshaker
Registered: Sep 2002
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Quote: I think you're expecting too much from my collection! Still, I will make as much available as soon as possible! Promise!
If i can get them unsorted it would also be good. Just as Jazzcat says, you never know where you stumble upon. I also would like to see any disknotes done by swappers, don't know if there are more people who want those. |
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MagerValp
Registered: Dec 2001
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How anyone can think that gzip is hard to use is beyond me, but for those who can't figure it out, all you need to do is:
cd c:\c64\demos (or wherever)
gzip *.d64
And all your d64s will be gzipped. You can then drag & drop them on VICE just like usual.
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TDJ
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Quote: How anyone can think that gzip is hard to use is beyond me, but for those who can't figure it out, all you need to do is:
cd c:\c64\demos (or wherever)
gzip *.d64
And all your d64s will be gzipped. You can then drag & drop them on VICE just like usual.
For reasons I'm not willing to discuss here, I prefer normal zip. Yes, I know how to use gzip, I've been using it many times before, but I prefer normal zip. That okay with you? |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
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Eeeek! Commandline alert, commandline alert, commandline alert! ;-) |
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tlr
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Quote: Eeeek! Commandline alert, commandline alert, commandline alert! ;-)
Come on, we've all used a c64 as our main computer! How can anyone here have issues with a command-line? :)
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Tch
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Quote: If i can get them unsorted it would also be good. Just as Jazzcat says, you never know where you stumble upon. I also would like to see any disknotes done by swappers, don't know if there are more people who want those.
Well,I got quite a bunch of those.
Would you like to have them collected together?
I know there are some on the cracks I have uploaded already.
Unfortunately I don´t think it is possible for you to see what I have uploaded. |
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TDJ
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Quote: Come on, we've all used a c64 as our main computer! How can anyone here have issues with a command-line? :)
I never used command line on c64, only GUI. |
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tlr
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Quote: For reasons I'm not willing to discuss here, I prefer normal zip. Yes, I know how to use gzip, I've been using it many times before, but I prefer normal zip. That okay with you?
Ofcourse it's ok, but if possible I'd like to hear your point. When I upload here I gzip it. If there is a good reason I'll change my approach. :)
My main issue with .zip is that it doesn't work in VICE without unpacking it first. If that worked, I'd probably go for zip aswell. |
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tlr
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Quote: I never used command line on c64, only GUI.
Ah, you mean like the desktop in TFC-III? :) |
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TDJ
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Quote: Ah, you mean like the desktop in TFC-III? :)
No, I meant Windows 84 (cbm version) |
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Steppe
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Quote: Come on, we've all used a c64 as our main computer! How can anyone here have issues with a command-line? :)
I wasn't really serious, honestly. I can type fast and know how to use commandline tools. But I avoid them where ever possible. Yeah, now you just keep on laughing about my new age attitude, you evil hackers...! ;-) |
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Earthshaker
Registered: Sep 2002
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Quote: Well,I got quite a bunch of those.
Would you like to have them collected together?
I know there are some on the cracks I have uploaded already.
Unfortunately I don´t think it is possible for you to see what I have uploaded.
I download everything which is uploaded here and sort it out later with programs like Clearmame Pro. Saves me a hell of a lot work filtering out those double files.
But yes i would like to have the disknotes which you collected. I myself am sorting them by person/group. So if you can mail 'em it would be perfect, my mailadress is here on CSDB, as you might have guessed. ;) |
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Tch
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@ Earthshaker,
OK,as I have a day off tomorrow I hope to fix a messages-disc for you.
Shouldn´t be much of a pain,like the UFLI editor I am trying to upgrade. ;)
Anyone else interested in old notes?
It won´t be much work to upload it here! 8) |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
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Quote: I wasn't really serious, honestly. I can type fast and know how to use commandline tools. But I avoid them where ever possible. Yeah, now you just keep on laughing about my new age attitude, you evil hackers...! ;-)
I understood you weren't serious! :) I wasn't 100% serious either, but I do use a command line interface all day at
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