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Skylab
Registered: Dec 2005
Posts: 183 |
Trivia: Missing Members
Where's the sense in writing the missing member names at the trivia and not to add them to the group??? |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
Perhaps 'missing' refers to 'not knowing where they are'?
Or perhaps the entry was locked, so that you can not add stuff to the core-info, but you can add trivia? |
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TWR
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Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 187 |
Quote: Perhaps 'missing' refers to 'not knowing where they are'?
Or perhaps the entry was locked, so that you can not add stuff to the core-info, but you can add trivia?
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If it's locked, it's locked.
I understand Skylab completly. |
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Zeldin
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 33 |
Ok... trying to explain my reasons for doing it (at least sometimes):
I don't want to add sceners when
a) I have never ever heard anything of this scener and
b) don't have any C64 release/work to connect to him/her
because then there is absolutely no confirmation this scener has ever existed (C64 scene releated). Entering every name dropped in some scrolltexts will only swell up this database, what is not the way I understand csdb. Such members could also be fake members or non C64 members (e.g. part of Amiga/Atari/PC sections etc.) and should be left out until confirmation takes place.
Take for example The Danger Boys and the scrolltext of their 'crack' Persian Gulf [german]. There you can find some names of sceners. I was not willing to enter them, because I am not sure, if these guys have really existed or have ever been part of the scene at all (I was not even willing to enter the above mentioned trivia text in this case)...
In other cases I entered them into trivia to leave it to others to confirm the existance of the sceners (either with the knowledge or the appearance of a release to connect).
cu,
zeld!n |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
What Zeldin said.
I only add new sceners if they are credited somewhere, even if they're just writing a scroller or if they are listed as attendants of a party or meeting.
Filling the database with entries consisting of just a handle & no more info seems pointless & a waste of time, it also highly increases the risk of duplicates. There are cases when f.ex. a swapper changed group & handle as often as they changed socks, if a scener like that can't be identified all his handles would give us a new entry with no connection to the other ones. |
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TWR
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Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 187 |
If a member-list is added in a crack-intro, demo or something else, I've created entries for those sceners.
Adding only sceners you've heard of would erase a whole lot of entries here, that's for sure. |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
On the other hand you might have added non-c64 sceners which doesn't belong here. It was quite common to list people from all sections of a group.
Better safe than sorry applies to me so I'll continue to use the trivia to enter unidentified & uncredited members. |
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TWR
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It's no big deal anyway. |
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Skylab
Registered: Dec 2005
Posts: 183 |
Hmm...
Missing members listed somewhere are members of a group... And in my opinion it doesn't sense if that scener was only working on a different system than C-64. Either your a member of a group or not. And so I think every member of a group that released C-64 stuff should be listed here. |
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A3
Registered: Dec 2005
Posts: 362 |
So afl, flt and other groups that had members on the amiga, pc and atari that has been mentioned in a c64 pruduction should be listed? No way! This is c64 only and should stay that way as much as possible.
There tossed in my 5 cents. |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
What about the c-64 sceners that were involved in groups on other platforms then? Should we include those groups as well?
I do not think so!
Agree 100% with Violator, this is the C-64 Scene Database after all. |
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The Overkiller
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Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 342 |
Quote: So afl, flt and other groups that had members on the amiga, pc and atari that has been mentioned in a c64 pruduction should be listed? No way! This is c64 only and should stay that way as much as possible.
There tossed in my 5 cents.
I agree ! |
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Jon
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Registered: Apr 2005
Posts: 247 |
This is an interesting discussion. Since I only have a perspective from the US scene, perhaps I can add something.
It seems as though folks want to only list members who have done something tangible-- IE a scrolltext, import, introscreen, demo, whatever. However, there are members of notable groups who produced nothing of note-- for example: Hellstar of FBR was responsible for Oawhool's long distance bills and got 0-day releases in exchange.
Of course, there are plenty of swapper and lamer groups out there as well who did not make any noticable impact in the scene whatsoever... maybe an intromaker demo here, poorly distributed demo there... like the UIA.
U.S. groups rarely had "divisions". It was either C64 or they "went Amiga", as it were called. Groups like New Bencor Brothers went both ways, but groups like ESI (Mitch) and NFL from what I understand "went Amiga" and their activities on the C64 dried up.
So in my humblest opinion, one can add US sceners listed in scrolltexts in the confidence that they were indeed C64 sceners.
-Ninj |
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Higgie
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 116 |
i think everybody who was in a group and contributed something to the c64 activities of that group should be listed in CSDb as a scener.
An example is my brother who never did own a c64 by himself but supported my c64 activities by drawing stickers and diskcovers. so he (sonny/kraze) is considered a full (ex-)member on c64. and also people who were just swappers should be treated like this, as they were kind of a backbone for the communication besides bbs and their sysops.
on the other hand i think it is of some interest for me (and maybe other people around here) if somebody from a group was active for that group on another platform.
An example is RokDaZone/Kraze (you won't find him in this database!): RokDaZone and me were the founders of Kraze. RokDaZone was on Amiga only joining me watching c64 stuff when he came to my place and me watching his amiga stuff. RokDaZone might not have been that important for the development of Kraze, as our amiga section was never really active. but some people might agree with me that he is a living legend regarding his work for other amiga groups he did join afterwards (artwork, endzeit) and especially for his work as an editor for amiga diskmags like StolenData and Generation.
but i think information like the above should be added to the trivia of a group and not added in form of a database entry.
edit: just noticed that i slightly missed the point. ;) ... please go on! |
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Zeldin
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 33 |
Puhhh... well some of you seem not to get what I wanted to say in my first post... well... I try it with an example:
Please read the scroll of Zyron (yeah :-).
And then ask yourself: why is there no entry for Ave's Grandma in csdb?
Well... got it? Fine!
If you still think it's good for csdb to add all names you can read in some scrolltexts... ok, go for it. I still think it's only useful to add members who have been or still are (confirmed) part of the C64 scene.
In other words: if there is someone out there who can confirm, that Ave's Grandma did something for the C64 scene (and not cooking or serving cake and coffee for da Trianon stuff), than this someone should be invited to add her as an entry...
cu,
zeld!n |
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Zeldin
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 33 |
Puhhh... well some of you seem not to get what I wanted to say in my first post... well... I try it with an example:
Please read the scroll of Zyron (yeah :-).
And then ask yourself: why is there no entry for Ave's Grandma in csdb?
Well... got it? Fine!
If you still think it's good for csdb to add all names you can read in some scrolltexts... ok, go for it. I still think it's only useful to add members who have been or still are (confirmed) part of the C64 scene.
In other words: if there is someone out there who can confirm, that Ave's Grandma did something for the C64 scene (and not cooking or serving cake and coffee for da Trianon stuff), than this someone should be invited to add her as an entry but I won't do it, cause I can't confirm...
cu,
zeld!n |
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Higgie
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 116 |
i agree with you! but no need to post it twice! ;) |
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Zeldin
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 33 |
Well if it works, I post it some more times ;-) |
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Skylab
Registered: Dec 2005
Posts: 183 |
I think both sides have good arguments... So it's really hard to make difference. For later times it's quite easy, because there were those C64/Amiga/PC/Consoles-Sections...
What would you say about a scener on the Amiga doing the C64 sendings together with his Amiga stuff to another scener/group??? So he's not working with the C64 but spreads for his group the C64 stuff... To be listed or not??? |
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Marauder/GSS
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Registered: Jul 2006
Posts: 224 |
Quote: I think both sides have good arguments... So it's really hard to make difference. For later times it's quite easy, because there were those C64/Amiga/PC/Consoles-Sections...
What would you say about a scener on the Amiga doing the C64 sendings together with his Amiga stuff to another scener/group??? So he's not working with the C64 but spreads for his group the C64 stuff... To be listed or not???
hard to make a decision, but if he's only spreading 64 stuff along with his amiga stuff (and don't get 64 stuff in return from his contacts) then I guess I would rather add a little note to the trivia like "had also an amiga section with the following members: xyz" instead of adding him as "full member"... (as this is a c64 related database)
but if you know he was also active in swapping for the 64 section, hence a real swapper for the group and not just a spreader, then he could also be added as member of that group and a note in his profile "was also a member of the amiga section"...
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Rough
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Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
Quote: Puhhh... well some of you seem not to get what I wanted to say in my first post... well... I try it with an example:
Please read the scroll of Zyron (yeah :-).
And then ask yourself: why is there no entry for Ave's Grandma in csdb?
Well... got it? Fine!
If you still think it's good for csdb to add all names you can read in some scrolltexts... ok, go for it. I still think it's only useful to add members who have been or still are (confirmed) part of the C64 scene.
In other words: if there is someone out there who can confirm, that Ave's Grandma did something for the C64 scene (and not cooking or serving cake and coffee for da Trianon stuff), than this someone should be invited to add her as an entry...
cu,
zeld!n
Actually it's me who hid behind the nick 'Ave's Grandma' in Trianon.. those were the times. |
