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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
Rigid moderation poll:yes/no ?
1. should we have a few trusted moderators?
2. should troublemaker accounts be deleted?
3. should troll threads be closed?
my votes:
1. yes
2. yes
3. yes |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
1. yes
2. yes
3. yes |
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Style
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 498 |
1. no
2. no
3. no
Oh wait, I misunderstood the questions!
1. yes
2. yes
3. yes
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wreg
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Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 679 |
1. yes
2. restricted ;), wouldn't deleting just cause more fake-users in the db?
3. no, only if someone's hijacking threads
but then again: number 1 is the solution for this
voting on threads could though be a nice system |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11351 |
yes yes and yes
what kinda quesion is that? =P |
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BAR.
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 324 |
1. yes
2. accounts mustn't be deleted if a moderator checks
what comes from this account ! Not yet
3. yes but delete only the stupid things not the facts they wrote. delete fake entries, delete useless comments,
delete attacks like "you mom suck..."
I used very fast ban/ignore user like i'm here again.
This worked well for me. Fake releases were everytime there
like done stoned, at a party, drunked or whatever..
CSDB is a database, ignore stuff you don't like and don't enter threads you don't like. Close useless threads faster with a moderator and a timebuffer for them. This works for sure.
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Trazan
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 620 |
Yes, trusted moderators are in the making.
No, Stupid users shouldnt be removed unless they are from Canada and have no interest in the scene whatsoever.
If we were to remove stupid users/troublemakers, I would like to see a few ppl removed besides the Crypt idiots. Ohwell!
Trolling threads and those started by users not belonging here, should ofcoz be closed - so dont feed the trolls. Report to Perff instead untill a posse of active moderators is implemented on CSDB.
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
Quote: 1. yes
2. yes
3. yes
After reading some replies of people who actually took time to think about the questions, I must change my answer to question 2.
Deleting an account is a very harsh action.
I think there should be a moderator's protocol to first warn, then block from posting, then block from logging in and only finally delete. |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
my votes:
1. yes
2. yes (delete Troublemaker account but keep & limit Secretman's account)
3. yes |
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Trazan
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 620 |
Amen to Mace! |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
Quoting Jazzcat2. yes (delete Troublemaker account but keep & limit Secretman's account)
Hehehe, Jazzy, you start seeing things that aren't there ;)
The question states "troublemaker accounts". That doesn't mean just Troublemaker's account, but any account that poses problems ;-) |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1646 |
It's not that moderation would be nice or so, it is simply necessary here for obvious reasons. |
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Trazan
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 620 |
Ok Ok Ok OK!
We NOW have the possibility to Censor/Remove stupid comments in threads - Perff will contact a selected few of you to be able to do this. Enjoy!
(And goodbye stupid comments :) |
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BAR.
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Registered: Apr 2002
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Quote: Ok Ok Ok OK!
We NOW have the possibility to Censor/Remove stupid comments in threads - Perff will contact a selected few of you to be able to do this. Enjoy!
(And goodbye stupid comments :)
5 ignored users now removed,
Hopefully they don't attack, talk or add shit here again..
Like this option.. :) |
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Doc Strange
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 101 |
my votes:
1. yes
2. yes
3. yes |
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Fungus
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 680 |
YES!!!!!! |
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Sixx
Registered: May 2005
Posts: 229 |
Yes to all. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
finally things start moving, thx perff&trazan. |
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BAR.
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Posts: 324 |
Quote: finally things start moving, thx perff&trazan.
it works.. |
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yago
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 333 |
in general, yes, yes and yes.
But i would also suggest a "yellow-card" system, showing troll the yellow card could mean 2 weeks no access.
This might also bring some non-retards to reason.
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icon
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 90 |
1. YES
2. No, but restricted.
3. Only if the thread itself is of a trolling nature.
/Icon-REM |
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Richard
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 621 |
My answers:
1. Yes
2. Don't know
3. Yes |
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SECRET MAN
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Posts: 336 |
Aha
These art of comments are ok??
23 april 2007
Savage Pond +HD
or is this a yellow card?? |
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BAR.
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Posts: 324 |
now, it begins...
or better it begins now..
times see which will then happen |
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Sixx
Registered: May 2005
Posts: 229 |
Quote: Aha
These art of comments are ok??
23 april 2007
Savage Pond +HD
or is this a yellow card??
Definitely a yellow card, IF you haven't been harassed IRL by the persons/or companions behind the release. You got it? |
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Merman
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 140 |
1. Yes
2. No, but restricted access (cannot add/change records)
3. Yes |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
Apart from the removal of Troublemaker/Secretman type persons (as the have received too many yellowcards by now).
Other points of interest:
The quality of releases and adding NON-scene stuff. No, problem if you do 3-5 bad releases, but after a "yellow" card you should get a "red" one if you continue (restrictions and then deletion if it continues).
Allowing every shit to shit you get only MORE shit and no improvement at all.
And releasing e.g. oldies in a crappy way after there were decent versions is a dumb act.
SEUCKs, BASIC or Recracks shouldn't be allowed.
And if, they should be MARKED as CRAP or what they are.
And I miss language pointers: e.g. for the CIVITAS BASIC CRAP. |
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BAR.
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Posts: 324 |
Now we all have the chance to help CSDB by deleting stupid acts we did on our own.. Forgive all.. ACT NOW! |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
yeah along with the plus4 view / non plus4 view we need a crap / non crap view :D |
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SECRET MAN
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Quote: Apart from the removal of Troublemaker/Secretman type persons (as the have received too many yellowcards by now).
Other points of interest:
The quality of releases and adding NON-scene stuff. No, problem if you do 3-5 bad releases, but after a "yellow" card you should get a "red" one if you continue (restrictions and then deletion if it continues).
Allowing every shit to shit you get only MORE shit and no improvement at all.
And releasing e.g. oldies in a crappy way after there were decent versions is a dumb act.
SEUCKs, BASIC or Recracks shouldn't be allowed.
And if, they should be MARKED as CRAP or what they are.
And I miss language pointers: e.g. for the CIVITAS BASIC CRAP.
Please begin to mark:
Here is the first one:
Candyman Preview
The second:
Kill Him Preview |
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yago
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 333 |
Before we introduce new categories for "crap", we should rather have better tool categories, e.g. music-editor, graphic-editor, converter, whatever
but thats another topic, i dont want to interrupt the war ;-)
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
Quoting JazzcatAnd I miss language pointers: e.g. for the CIVITAS BASIC CRAP.
Jazzcat, I understand your anger, but throwing oil on the fire isn't helping anyone.
Please restrain yourself and help to restore the peace and quietness. :) |
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BAR.
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 324 |
If Manfred Trenz would do a basic demo, you couldn't find it here or if Christian Huelsbeck would do a music for a basic game you couldn't find it here.. if this guys were unknown or did that under a pseudo.. Do you really think
you are right JAZZCAT ?
A-man's music for the crypt release would be lost and so many things more... It happens all the time i know guys feed up with this ELITE talkings.. that they left C64.. They lost interest and much more.. CHANGE YOUR MIND PLEASE.. |
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cadaver
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1160 |
There are often two sides to things. On the other hand, we applaud lemon64 for locking the retardscene site thread swiftly. But we wouldn't applaud them for banning Alih some time before for his run-in with Tomz, or would we? There's often a moral right in these cases which is easy to define in hindsight. But who do we trust to define it in realtime?
Certainly, if I think of a strong fair moderation there have been many non-acceptable outbursts here from otherwise respected people, and I'd be OK with equally disallowing them.
On the other hand, a strong biased moderation could make this site into the worst kind of hell imaginable. Separating or deleting entries based on perceived quality (ie. "basic crap") would IMO be quite biased. |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1085 |
1. yes
2, no, but restrict
3. yes |
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Yoko Tv Inc.
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1.yes
2.yes
3.yes
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2924 |
ja
ja
ja
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
BASIC "crap" as in some basic releases done by crack-groups. They should be marked as they are in the cracking scene; as not receiving any points (because basic doesn't deserve points). Same with "RE-RELEASES", "RECRACKS" (not 'oldies' but real recracks, need definition? lemme know), DOUBLE-TRAINERS and the most ignored one of all on this database concerning cracks: "FIRST RELEASES".
If this is a C64 _SCENE_ Database. Then, maybe this site should heed some advice from people who are directly involved, common-sense approach is needed here. I know Perff is busy (ain't we all?) so more people onboard rather than this one-man show would be great!
Edit: how is the tally going? |
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Trazan
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 620 |
This is more like a poll - not a total discussion :)
I would be glad to see a guideline whats OK to release and not, since its really missing on CSDB.
Jazzcat, feel free to make such list!? |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
Trazan: sure. A bit like what is present in the current "List" (release chart)? As well as some extra do's and don't's?
I guess the main point here with SEUCK releases, REcracks and stuff. These things are acceptable when someone just joins the scene, they make a mistake or two and learn from it. What makes some guys angry is that guys like Crypt have been around since 1988/89. You expect more from these people. |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
Jazzcat, you really can't stop ranting about it, can you...? Hahaha :-D |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11351 |
Quote:
Perff will contact a selected few of you to be able to do this. Enjoy!
will we see a public list of these then? o_O |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
Groepaz, I don't think this is wise right now.
Perhaps later... just to prevend the sending of another shipment of freshly used condoms... |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
Mace: not really ranting, just a sign that I care about something. I've known Alih for a long time now and even though we're not friends I was unhappy with what happened to him (courtesy of Wanderer & co). These idiots need to be dealt with. |
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Trazan
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 620 |
Quote: Trazan: sure. A bit like what is present in the current "List" (release chart)? As well as some extra do's and don't's?
I guess the main point here with SEUCK releases, REcracks and stuff. These things are acceptable when someone just joins the scene, they make a mistake or two and learn from it. What makes some guys angry is that guys like Crypt have been around since 1988/89. You expect more from these people.
I guess noone does like SEUCK crap anyway, but when the days of Ocean and the wonderful releases from Midway are long gone, I guess thats whats left are ppl putting out SEUCKs.
I very much do dislike the crap Crypt feeds the CSDB with, they should all be removed - but then - if they like to show off they are such idiots putting out bugged released recracks, may be it - noone is really taking them serious anyway.
Not now. Not ever ever ever.
(I once did ask the ppl in Crypt to actually try to crack a real oldie for once and improve possible earlier bugged versions. Sofar they didnt. They wont either).
Should we try to make more strict rules about whats to be added to CSDB? Ifso, dare we risk a deal of titles that we never would see unless released here - such as the latest Preview Triad did release?! |
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Trazan
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 620 |
Quote: Quote:
Perff will contact a selected few of you to be able to do this. Enjoy!
will we see a public list of these then? o_O
Yes - You will see such list.
Sofar, its me, Perff and Yodelking - more to come.
Suggestions welcome for more |
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BAR.
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 324 |
Remembering some cool SEUCKS in the late 90's i don't agree
at that point.
I like some: CASANOVA, IKARI WARRIORS, WESTERN FIGHTER
OR THE RIVER PATROL BY THE SYNDICATE OF BEASTIE BOYS, f.e. ;) |
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Dane
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Registered: May 2002
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Quote: Yes - You will see such list.
Sofar, its me, Perff and Yodelking - more to come.
Suggestions welcome for more
I nominate Hollowman. This could be fun. |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
Trazan: make sure you get someone from the cracking scene also.
Regarding censoring stuff. There is no *new* rules. There is only old rules that people seemed to have forgotten.
In the past we didn't accept recracks, re-releases, code rippers. So we shouldn't these days.
CRYpt are a good example here as they've done almost every "no-no" possible. |
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Mason
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 461 |
Quote: Remembering some cool SEUCKS in the late 90's i don't agree
at that point.
I like some: CASANOVA, IKARI WARRIORS, WESTERN FIGHTER
OR THE RIVER PATROL BY THE SYNDICATE OF BEASTIE BOYS, f.e. ;)
There was SEUCK games in the last 80s, but those were released on budget labels.
Also you mentioned some other titles which were released in the 80s before the budget group princip were something everyone used. |
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BAR.
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Hi Mason,
time passed since we had our last talk but you're wrong these times.
The Syndicate
ROUGH TRADE INCORPORATED (RTI) or BEASTIE BOYS were in my eyes not underlabels or.. ?
Rough Trade Inc.
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Mason
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 461 |
Quote: Hi Mason,
time passed since we had our last talk but you're wrong these times.
The Syndicate
ROUGH TRADE INCORPORATED (RTI) or BEASTIE BOYS were in my eyes not underlabels or.. ?
Rough Trade Inc.
Now you even show you own proof... Syndicate was in Beastie Boys till 1989, so the SEUCK games he did were from the 80s.
Same with RTI... they stopped in early 1990 and they did their seuck games in the 80s. Their last releases were mostly UK games.
Again I mentioned in the 90s the SEUCK games were released on budget labels. |
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BAR.
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Posts: 324 |
OK, seems you're right find only 1988/1989 ones..
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Trazan
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 620 |
SEUCK and likewise were released under Budgetgroups.
I really dont see Crypt as anything BUT a Budgetgroup - so I still see their "releases" as vaild to CSDB - the trolling and threads arent tho! :) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11351 |
Quote:
I really dont see Crypt as anything BUT a Budgetgroup - so I still see their "releases" as vaild to CSDB - the trolling and threads arent tho! :)
i have to agree with that. releases, groups and sceners should be added regardless if they are lame or not.
wether they should get access to an account is another question open for debate though :) |
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Matt
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 598 |
no
no
yes
as much as I dislike secretman/troublemaker I personally don't think he should get banned from here. I had a few flamewars with him but deleting his account is really too harsh. this is MY personal opinion as I didn't got into any troubles with him that made me stay awake at night.
and no to mods aswell. believe me they're no good.
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Trazan
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 620 |
Quote: no
no
yes
as much as I dislike secretman/troublemaker I personally don't think he should get banned from here. I had a few flamewars with him but deleting his account is really too harsh. this is MY personal opinion as I didn't got into any troubles with him that made me stay awake at night.
and no to mods aswell. believe me they're no good.
You honestly rather see long threads with flames, Your momapuns and childish behaviour?
Ifso, I suggest Lemon for you. |
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The Overkiller
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Probably yes, we need some mods, but I understand also the doubts of Matt. The next flames could be about "I don't want that guy as mod". Looking at the past I remember what happened with Nafcom. Well, let's wait and see..... |
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Trazan
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 620 |
Quote: Probably yes, we need some mods, but I understand also the doubts of Matt. The next flames could be about "I don't want that guy as mod". Looking at the past I remember what happened with Nafcom. Well, let's wait and see.....
So suggest a few reasonable sceners able to work as moderator then?! |
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SECRET MAN
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Quote: no
no
yes
as much as I dislike secretman/troublemaker I personally don't think he should get banned from here. I had a few flamewars with him but deleting his account is really too harsh. this is MY personal opinion as I didn't got into any troubles with him that made me stay awake at night.
and no to mods aswell. believe me they're no good.
Thanx Matt,I have nothing against you and i have nothing against WOW,but we must clear some things.Noone ragged,as Wow released this:
Dance Fantasy
http://www.gb64.com/game.php?id=16129&d=18&h=0
But i bet,that i would be #1 in the comments charts,if i would release an old unreleased game which is not listed in Gamebase or in Masons list.
OR??
Noone ragged against Crypt.
Crypt+WDR and the whole scene ragged.
Is it the Name Crypt or is it the name WDR ? Im not sure...
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The Overkiller
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Take this decision only on my neck ? :) No, but what about a pool with sceners decided to do moderators, the most voted win. |
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Trazan
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 620 |
Quote: Take this decision only on my neck ? :) No, but what about a pool with sceners decided to do moderators, the most voted win.
Votes and Charts on CSDB are a joke anyway :) |
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Richard
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 621 |
Sounds good overkiller. :) |
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The Overkiller
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True. But I think this thing could be made more seriuos without 1-10 rating or charts. Only a simple click on a botton near a name. And of course only the ppl with real account should be allowed to voting. |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
Quote: Thanx Matt,I have nothing against you and i have nothing against WOW,but we must clear some things.Noone ragged,as Wow released this:
Dance Fantasy
http://www.gb64.com/game.php?id=16129&d=18&h=0
But i bet,that i would be #1 in the comments charts,if i would release an old unreleased game which is not listed in Gamebase or in Masons list.
OR??
Noone ragged against Crypt.
Crypt+WDR and the whole scene ragged.
Is it the Name Crypt or is it the name WDR ? Im not sure...
The difference being that EVERY release Crypt does is either a recrack of pure crap.
WOW and other groups don't seem to have this "problem". |
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SECRET MAN
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Why should Crypt recrack something? I think,that TWR is able to crack games,or?
I removed all my votes.
And please rememeber,that Troublemaker is doing a good job
as Member of the C64.CH Team !
http://www.c64.ch/
Every dude downloaded demos,or?
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Matt
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 598 |
lemon? no thank you, I've been there and I know what can happen being a mod. ask widdy and he'll confirm.
that all sounds a bit vague, I know, but don't you think for the sake of all of us it's time to berry the axe and make peace now? |
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Trazan
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 620 |
Thats pretty much what I tried to aim for. World peace and a relaxed forum - didnt work untill we actually HAD moderators cleaning out the most fucked up threads.. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11351 |
i've been moderating some mailinglists and forum stuff in the past, and it always worked out quite well. the only ppl complaining about mods are usually these that contribute little to nothing useful anyway. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3048 |
Quote: Why should Crypt recrack something? I think,that TWR is able to crack games,or?
I removed all my votes.
And please rememeber,that Troublemaker is doing a good job
as Member of the C64.CH Team !
http://www.c64.ch/
Every dude downloaded demos,or?
Yes you are right. Troublemaker is doing good job at C64.ch and that's why I don't think it's good idea to remove/block his account here unless there is really serious reason for that. (as was in case of Nata/Bamu/Wtf. and Wdr) |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
The Troublemaker profile should be removed/restricted on CSDB.
We're not discussing his work at c64.ch
The discussion is regarding what he has supported and been involved with. All of which deserves punishment (deletion or restrictive access until he proves he can 'fit in').
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
You're right Groepaz, moderation works quite well on every forum I am on too. And I am a moderator on a forum and a mailinglist too, although I must admit both are not near as active as CSDb.
I wouldn't mind being a moderator here, but for some reason I have the feeling you guys wouldn't vote for me.
Not enough personal friends, not "1337" status... because that is what counts on CSDb.
Yet, these might just be features for impartial moderation. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11351 |
Quote:
I wouldn't mind being a moderator here, but for some reason I have the feeling you guys wouldn't vote for me.
Not enough personal friends, not "1337" status... because that is what counts on CSDb.
Yet, these might just be features for impartial moderation.
picking the right moderators is not an easy task, thats for sure. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3048 |
Quote: The Troublemaker profile should be removed/restricted on CSDB.
We're not discussing his work at c64.ch
The discussion is regarding what he has supported and been involved with. All of which deserves punishment (deletion or restrictive access until he proves he can 'fit in').
One's shirt is nearer (to the body) than the coat. - (Zenobios, Plautus, ML, EA) - 1350-1400 F, 1461 E, 1480-95 D - Z = 44
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Trazan
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 620 |
Quote: One's shirt is nearer (to the body) than the coat. - (Zenobios, Plautus, ML, EA) - 1350-1400 F, 1461 E, 1480-95 D - Z = 44
???? |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
"One's shirt is nearer (to the body) than the coat" means that you will first stand up for yourself... |
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6R6
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 245 |
@jazzcat:
I think all releases should be allowed,
doesnt matter if its basic, seuck or a recrack - a release is a release. If a WindowsXP tool is worthy a release id here, why shouldnt a basic program be allowed ?
And i'd like an option to tag a recrack with
"Reacrak of ?id=xxxxx" - That allows the csdb users to see who does the naughty bits.
1. Moderators = yes
The others i dont know
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11351 |
Quote:
And i'd like an option to tag a recrack with
"Reacrak of ?id=xxxxx" - That allows the csdb users to see who does the naughty bits.
that would be quite nice indeed |
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Trazan
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 620 |
Thats a thought. Hard proof needed ifso aswell. Fungus - You do that job and compare memory of releases :) |
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Fungus
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 680 |
All of them!? oh noooes!
Well, here make it simple...
Delete everything by Radar, Exory and WDR... most of them gone. :D
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maestro
Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 727 |
yes
depends on what trouble these "troublemakers" have done
yes if the thread is going absolutely no where but a mod can remove posts from these if need be and then close the thread if he truely believes and can see its going no where |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
Though i'd vote for a moderation of this forum, im not sure about who should be among the moderators.
I see alot of biased people around here and frankly i think most of us aren't qualified for the job.
We need moderation, i agree.
What we don't need is censorship and individuals using a moderator status to settle their grudges and gripes.
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Trazan
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 620 |
Quote: Though i'd vote for a moderation of this forum, im not sure about who should be among the moderators.
I see alot of biased people around here and frankly i think most of us aren't qualified for the job.
We need moderation, i agree.
What we don't need is censorship and individuals using a moderator status to settle their grudges and gripes.
If you see ppl around here NOT suitable as moderators - let us know and DO suggest ppl with a neutral stand to actually monitor and react in threads all fucked up.
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Laxity
Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 459 |
Quote: Though i'd vote for a moderation of this forum, im not sure about who should be among the moderators.
I see alot of biased people around here and frankly i think most of us aren't qualified for the job.
We need moderation, i agree.
What we don't need is censorship and individuals using a moderator status to settle their grudges and gripes.
We're all biased, we can't get around that - but if we agree on it and have moderation on CSDb, we need to face that the moderation - no matter who will be moderating - will be biased. It's just a question of how biased it will be. This implies that we need to trust and respect the moderators instated.
Also, if we get moderation here (which will have to be based on us trusting the moderators), there has to be rules of conduct for moderators. For instance, if a moderator is engaging in a discussion as a private person, he/she is automatically not allowed to moderate that discussion/thread. This also implies that a moderator may be moderated by other moderators, and hence, that needs to be something that any moderators keeps in mind. If the community looses faith in a moderator, that moderator should loose his status as a moderator based on some feedback mechanism (maybe?).
I'm really not for moderation, but seems that we have trouble behaving ourselves - so as a consequence of that, I'd have to vote a reluctant yes for moderation. (oh, those shades of gray suck!) |
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BAR.
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Sometimes in the past they scream for a moderator to clear
or end some discussion. But there was none coming up mostly.
Now if we call to join in - it is good to know that there is
a chance to get help against attacks or stupidis..
I saw it often here but nothing happends then..
There is a moment where we thought we're right but no one is perfect or had the same knowledge about stories, background
stuff or others..
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Richard
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 621 |
Quote: Remembering some cool SEUCKS in the late 90's i don't agree
at that point.
I like some: CASANOVA, IKARI WARRIORS, WESTERN FIGHTER
OR THE RIVER PATROL BY THE SYNDICATE OF BEASTIE BOYS, f.e. ;)
I agree with you as well Baracuda. I disagree that SEUCK games *should* be removed off the CSDB, unless it depends on the quality of the games. Many SEUCK games are bad, but there are also some very good ones as well. Here are a few I think people would enjoy:
Synetic (One of the best SEUCK games to my mind)
Synetic [seuck]
Aquablasta
Aquablasta
Sub Burner
Sub Burner +4
I wont give any more links to SEUCK games. You find the rest for yourself :)
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
Quoting RichardI disagree that SEUCK games *should* be removed off the CSDB, unless it depends on the quality of the games. And who decides what the quality-level of a release is?
SEUCK games should not be removed unless absolutely obvious that someone just uploaded it to nag the community.
If some beginning scener writes 5 lines of basic, because that's all he knows, and releases it as a demo, it's his good right. Same with SEUCK, same with any other product. |
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Honesty
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 121 |
I think everyone releases what he wants.Maybe there should be more classes of what kind of release it is(see post from grg).
Also the idea with the red and yellow card thing isn´t bad at all.
Maybe automatic hitch it to the handle of the scener, so everyone can see what is going on with this dude. But before had to be rules which are definated and maybe a new verify of the users where they had to agree this rules(like when u install a game)
So aftwerward nobody can say he didn´t know.
Also there should be a period in which u get rid of the "cards" when behave normal.
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
Can't we think of some 'karma' system, like on one of my favourite websites www.tweakers.net?
What if every single post on the forum could be given a value by the users?
Like "+1 helpful", "+1 informative" or "-1 off topic", "-1 troll".
As soon as you have posted in the thread, you can not add value to the postings. Also, you can only add your values once.
If a user ends up having negative karma, this could have consequences for his/her rights on the forum, like a posting time-out that increases in duration every time the karma hits zero.
After the time out, the user can gain karma again by posting positive/useful messages. |
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The Overkiller
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Someone was at -218 of Karma here :) |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3048 |
Quote: Can't we think of some 'karma' system, like on one of my favourite websites www.tweakers.net?
What if every single post on the forum could be given a value by the users?
Like "+1 helpful", "+1 informative" or "-1 off topic", "-1 troll".
As soon as you have posted in the thread, you can not add value to the postings. Also, you can only add your values once.
If a user ends up having negative karma, this could have consequences for his/her rights on the forum, like a posting time-out that increases in duration every time the karma hits zero.
After the time out, the user can gain karma again by posting positive/useful messages.
Can you imagine having karma system in the land of notorious downvoters? ;-) In the system of all-good/passive minority of dedicated bad-doers always win. One of my friends over where wrote few articles and simulations on this subject. Result:1 Either we will all realise our personal responsibility and stop ignore the baddies, or the badies will always "profit" from us.
Karma is not needed for this database. Everyone creates his own karma by producing/creating/organising/supporting stuff for c64. We aren't net of nameless of social-network entities. Everyone of us can add a value to this system. And those who don't should be rejected.
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
Quote: Can't we think of some 'karma' system, like on one of my favourite websites www.tweakers.net?
What if every single post on the forum could be given a value by the users?
Like "+1 helpful", "+1 informative" or "-1 off topic", "-1 troll".
As soon as you have posted in the thread, you can not add value to the postings. Also, you can only add your values once.
If a user ends up having negative karma, this could have consequences for his/her rights on the forum, like a posting time-out that increases in duration every time the karma hits zero.
After the time out, the user can gain karma again by posting positive/useful messages.
well I'd rather play an rpg game :) a bit too complex but interesting :) |
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Fungus
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 680 |
I still nominate TDJ, as he does hate us all equally.
:) |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
@ Oswald: hehehe, RPG... :-)
Yeah, it looks a bit complex, but that's probably more my way of explaining. Also, it's the engine behind it, not the use of it that is complex. It probably needs some smoothing too.
However, it might be a bit over the top for this forum.
Better just get honest and impartial moderation. |
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Trazan
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 620 |
So I take it, after closer too 100 entries in this thread, most of you do ask for more active moderation in threads way out of topic and to prevent ppl from turning each and every thread into a flamewar!
As by requested; List of moderators goes as;
CreaMD, Zyron, CBA, Trazan, Wreg + Perff as sole Admin. |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1085 |
Quote: So I take it, after closer too 100 entries in this thread, most of you do ask for more active moderation in threads way out of topic and to prevent ppl from turning each and every thread into a flamewar!
As by requested; List of moderators goes as;
CreaMD, Zyron, CBA, Trazan, Wreg + Perff as sole Admin.
but but, nobody respects those people!
<grinnik> ;)
edit: btw, why no voting for who should be moderator? |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: I still nominate TDJ, as he does hate us all equally.
:)
True dat. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Btw, I hope that this doesn't mean it will be impossible to have free-flowing threads anymore. Seen way too many forums die because of strict moderation. |
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Trazan
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 620 |
Quote: but but, nobody respects those people!
<grinnik> ;)
edit: btw, why no voting for who should be moderator?
Because ppl cant vote :)
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
Strict moderation is a big NO. Sometimes it isn't wrong to let things go their own way, even if it's on the edge.
IMHO, moderation consists of:
1) requesting normal behaviour
Sometimes people get carried away a bit too much. In such occasions a moderator can request to easy up a little to prevend a thread from going into the wrong direction.
Requests could be done by PM or in the thread itself.
2) closing threads
This could be done because the thread went WAY off topic, became way too insulting or because the topic starter requests so. Despite such a request, the moderator can decide to keep a topic open if there's still a useful flow of input, of course.
3) editing or removing posts that are WAY too insulting
We are not talking about the usual flaming and ranting, but we've got to be dealing with death threats or personal insults. In addition, I figure action 1) would be right.
The biggest problem I've seen happening is moderators acting as supposed gods, constantly correcting people and regularly editing posts. This is really very wrong, as both the value of the forum is decreased as the credibility of a moderator.
About voting for moderators, I agree with Trazan that that is not too good an option here :)
Best would perhaps be if people who want to have a say in it, just PM their suggestions to Perff.
Don't mind me being so impolite to drag him into this ;) |
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Style
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 498 |
BTW, am I the only one who looks at this topic on the front page and keeps seeing 'ring modulation'? |
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A3
Registered: Dec 2005
Posts: 362 |
Moderation sounds great. Perhaps it's time to be abit more active uploading if all the crapping and trolling is stoppped. I'm happy to see some action taken in this regard, have been waiting for this for a long time. |
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Trazan
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 620 |
And since we put more active moderators to work, we didnt get a single stupid post - putting us more active moderators out of work. Hows that? :)
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Fungus
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 680 |
Yeah, don't go overboard like Lemon64.
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
Quote: BTW, am I the only one who looks at this topic on the front page and keeps seeing 'ring modulation'?
Hehehe... no, you're not :) |
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hollowman
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 474 |
Quote:
And since we put more active moderators to work, we didnt get a single stupid post - putting us more active moderators out of work. Hows that? :)
Seems like you havent been reading any of the other active threads |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3048 |
Quote: Seems like you havent been reading any of the other active threads
The kind of posts that could be [Censor] clicked? |
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Trazan
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 620 |
PM either of the Moderators to clean out junk I guess? :) |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Btw, wouldn't it be better to just delete posts instead of censoring them? Makes a thread much more readable you know .. |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
Quote: PM either of the Moderators to clean out junk I guess? :)
Then where's the list of moderators, so I know who to PM? ;-) |
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Trazan
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 620 |
As by requested; List of moderators goes as;
CreaMD, Zyron, CBA, Trazan, Wreg + Perff as sole Admin. |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
Excellent choice, if I may say so ;-) |
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Trazan
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 620 |
No, Only idiots as stated by other users. We simply suck for cleaning out crap from CSDB...:) |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3048 |
Quote: Btw, wouldn't it be better to just delete posts instead of censoring them? Makes a thread much more readable you know ..
I think the same. Deleted posts should be only visible to moderators (e.g. in one separated "deleted posts" list) who can eventually check and "uncensor" them on request. Gotta ask Perff if he couldn't make a list of censored posts so moderates can easily check what gets censored. It's one of the possible ways of abuse to spam forum with "to be deleted" posts and get attention this way. It's sort of honor for problamatic personalities to have their moderated posts visible ;-) |
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icon
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 90 |
Quote: Yeah, don't go overboard like Lemon64.
The problem we had at Lemon was that two worlds collided totaly. Scene peoples and the gamerz had never met before on a forum that was suppose to be "friendly". The gamerz just couldnt cope with the scene attitude. Moderate sceners and "others" with the same rules didnt work at all as we sceners tend to use a little harsh language. So we tried to moderate the scene section with lighter rules and put me and Widdy as scenemoderators as we where the only once that understood this culture. But by that time it was a little to late. Some missbehavor from some of the moderators and other shit from some of the users leed to that some of the nicest guys leaved Lemon for good. It was a great loss and a sad day! But thats another story in another time. My point is just that I recognize this talk around making rules here for the upcoming moderators. It is no differencs between this thread and the likes of them we had "over there" about the same matter. You just face the exact same problems here. Just in this case I think you will succed better, as everyone (almost) here comes from the same roots and understand this culture. So "common sence" moderation is WAY easier here at CSDB than over "there". Just dont make to many written rules, they can easierly backfire and you ending up being called "Nazimod" from others and that you dont do your job from others. Choose the RIGHT moderators for the job instead. Moderators that peoples respect for other matters than just being THE moderators. Then everything will work out by itself.
/Icon-REM |
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BAR.
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http://noname.c64.org/csdb/help.php?section=rules |
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Trazan
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 620 |
Quote: http://noname.c64.org/csdb/help.php?section=rules
"
CSDb as a media for any kind of personal attacks/discriminating or foul language (using the forum, oneliners, comments on CSDb entries, PM's, deliberate downvoting or anything similar), and any such will be punished with temporarily or permanent exlusion from the site.
We will not scan CSDb for such attacks, therefore we will only react if the person who is attacked informs us directly. In such cases we will look into it and take action as we see fit. We do NOT tolerate retaliations of any kind!
These rules pertain to all users and no exceptions will be made.
"
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BAR.
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Posts: 324 |
De Turk bij de Kassa
ACT NOW! |
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Trazan
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 620 |
Quote: De Turk bij de Kassa
ACT NOW!
Since you already did delete it once Baracuda, Perff did restore it. Thanx for giving us extra work :(
By restoring it - I guess he do find this a valid entry somehow. I dont.
Scout is informed about the topic.
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BAR.
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Posts: 324 |
double accounts..
Het Meisje van de Vleeswarenafdeling
Scout |
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BAR.
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Quote: Since you already did delete it once Baracuda, Perff did restore it. Thanx for giving us extra work :(
By restoring it - I guess he do find this a valid entry somehow. I dont.
Scout is informed about the topic.
i only delete my comment ! |
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Trazan
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 620 |
Quote: double accounts..
Het Meisje van de Vleeswarenafdeling
Scout
Better PM either one of us instead of using this thread.
And if you want replies - turn off ignore. Sigh! |
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BAR.
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 324 |
i want all to see what happens..
Breaking the CSDB rules makes others left and with them the archives..
The rules for all equal if a friend or not..
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wreg
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Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 679 |
Quote: double accounts..
Het Meisje van de Vleeswarenafdeling
Scout
no, those are not
an account is what you log in to csdb
what you're refering is a scener's entry
imho, even if these entries are the same person, it's still the persons right to kill this connection and add two seperate entries
just like a person can decide what information should be spread and lock the entry so others dont add realnames etc! |
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BAR.
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 324 |
Fuck You 101%
Created by HMVDVA*
On: 2006-11-24 15:53:26+01
Created by Scout*
On: 2005-06-11 21:46:03+02
The release is against the rules, too..
Telling others that they are cunts, asses, more..
Some call it whining, it's a chance for CSDB
not losing more entries..
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wreg
Account closed
Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 679 |
Baracuda, please refer to the rule telling us: fucktros have no right to exist at csdb???
btw, the situation with the 'double accounts' you mentioned is clearly stated in rules 2.+3. ... |
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BAR.
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Quote: Baracuda, please refer to the rule telling us: fucktros have no right to exist at csdb???
btw, the situation with the 'double accounts' you mentioned is clearly stated in rules 2.+3. ...
you have post..
enough about that crap, simply keep an eye on it and bring the deleted stuff back.. |
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wreg
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Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 679 |
Quote: Fuck You 101%
Created by HMVDVA*
On: 2006-11-24 15:53:26+01
Created by Scout*
On: 2005-06-11 21:46:03+02
The release is against the rules, too..
Telling others that they are cunts, asses, more..
Some call it whining, it's a chance for CSDB
not losing more entries..
and thats why this account has been disabled a while ago, afaik ... |
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BAR.
Account closed
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 324 |
THE AWAKENIG.. :)
There were Rules all the time..
Breaking them makes this atmosphere we have here
especially after ignorance leaves us.. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3048 |
Had to self-censor myself. Thread hijacking. |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1085 |
I still think it's weird that there's no voting involved in who's gonna be in charge. (and no tarzan, you can't compare this type of voting to (down)voting releases and so on).
So, I'll start a poll myself:
Do you agree with the preselected moderators for CSDB (CreaMD, Zyron, CBA, Trazan, Wreg + Perff as sole Admin)?
Yes
or
No
I vote Yes. |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570 |
Yes |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Lemme see: 1 of them is an ex-teammember, 2 of them did exclusive music for demos I coded and the others seem nice enough as well.
So yes ;) |
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SECRET MAN
Account closed
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 336 |
Quote: I still think it's weird that there's no voting involved in who's gonna be in charge. (and no tarzan, you can't compare this type of voting to (down)voting releases and so on).
So, I'll start a poll myself:
Do you agree with the preselected moderators for CSDB (CreaMD, Zyron, CBA, Trazan, Wreg + Perff as sole Admin)?
Yes
or
No
I vote Yes.
I think,that these guys were always neutral and not so aggressive like others.So i can give a "YES".
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BAR.
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 324 |
Quote: I think,that these guys were always neutral and not so aggressive like others.So i can give a "YES".
They should get their chance..
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icon
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 90 |
Yes indeed! |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
I believe I already said 'yes', in another way ;-) |
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tomz
Account closed
Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 39 |
YES to all 3 I think they'd make good choices,maybe even include a few more guys like Icon,Steppe and Matt
(thats if they be prepared to take on the job)
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570 |
Quote: YES to all 3 I think they'd make good choices,maybe even include a few more guys like Icon,Steppe and Matt
(thats if they be prepared to take on the job)
The moderation team is big enough now.
No need for more.
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Jetboy
Registered: Jul 2006
Posts: 289 |
Quote: 1. should we have a few trusted moderators?
2. should troublemaker accounts be deleted?
3. should troll threads be closed?
my votes:
1. yes
2. yes
3. yes
1. YES
2. restricted
3. yes |
