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Nightlord
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Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 131 |
party competitions
hello everyone
being a total stranger to the parties i would like to ask something about the party competitions. why do some parties (in fact some of the ones with best releases) not allow entries by non-attending people. especially floppy and lcp. is there a special reason for this. i would very much like to compete in them but living in turkey working 45 to 60 hour weeks, it is not very probable that i will ever have a chance to visit scandinavia. so with all my good intentions about c64 demo making (believe me:)) why shouldn't i be allowed to send a demo to lcp and compete in there. ofcourse i would die to have a couple of beers with all sceners there, see my own stuff on big screen and see how people react to it but life is life...
i always think people come to decisions because they have their reasons. so i presume there was some historical reason about why the organizers decided to disclude non attender entries. i just would like to learn those reasons...
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Hate Bush
Registered: Jul 2002
Posts: 462 |
I second that. Why not to take advantage of possibilities brought to us by modern technology? :)
BTW., a week after LCP, North Party takes place in Warsaw. If you don't know, it's a C64-only party, organized for 8th time now. It allows e-mail entries, so you're highly encouraged to submit your work by sending it to Marek Binkul (blight@wp.pl). |
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drake
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Registered: Dec 2002
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the forever party allows it too. for the bigger parties sometimes its better to handle their rules strictly when it comes to competition stuff, coz everybody wants to compete on those. there are a lot of sceners and so they got a lot of fame. there should be an overload of software and it takes a lot of time to show.
on forever party they even have another, in my eyes, nice feature: the realtime compos.
it simply means that some stuff has been made on the party self.
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Slator
Registered: Jan 2002
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For me it is ok if the organizers of a party do not allow entries send in by email as the party actually is done to have people around at the party.
Otherwise you can open up some virtual compo instead e.g. like they are posted on c64.sk from time to time.
As there are still a lot of parties around it should not be a big problem to find one that allows entries send by email.
Parties like Floppy or LCP are done under some kind of <flt commercial>quality-tradition and pride</flt commercial> thing like the parties used to be in the past. when we all were younger there were no email entries at all :-D
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hollowman
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 474 |
floppy and lcp is about competing groups
who meet face to face to battle it out,
to show who got the best demos, gfx, music,
worst skin condition, smelliest farts etc.
accepting mail entries would spoil much
of the fun and feeling |
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yago
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 333 |
The rules that the creator must be at the Party mainly apply to BIG parties.
There is the Problem that in some categories (pcdemo,mp3 for example) are so many (low quality) releases, that it really gets boring. If People would also submit their entries via eMail there would be even more Entries.
Almost all C64-only Parties do accept Entries via eMail, because there are not +100 Entries per Competition.
If you really want to submit an Entry for a big Party (but cant afford to travel), become a Member in a Group which participates there.
Have Fun,
Zed Yago
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Or vice versa: have somebody who goes there become a member of your group. I did that for House Designs in 1994, joining them, entering their demo and then leaving the group again within one minute. |
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blackdroid
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Uhm floppy seems to accept mail entrys. or atleast "someone in the group is present", since f.e jailbird competed at floppy with a picture, hcl being the one from booze designs to hand it in I suppose.
LCP is quite strict in that regard it seems. |
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Hate Bush
Registered: Jul 2002
Posts: 462 |
> Almost all C64-only Parties do accept Entries
> via eMail, because there are not +100 Entries
> per Competition.
Wishful thinking, I'd say. Let's have a quick overview of the most important parties held (or to be held) this year:
Forever - yes
Floppy - no
Breakpoint - no
Vision - yes
LCP - no
North Party - yes
Assembly - no
> Uhm floppy seems to accept mail entrys. or atleast
> "someone in the group is present", since f.e
> jailbird competed at floppy with a picture
What if I don't belong to any group? In Floppy case, I wanted to send my entry via my Swedish friend (not email, mind you), but it didn't work out, because the organizers clearly stated that "author must be present at the party".
> Parties like Floppy or LCP are done under
> some kind of <flt commercial>quality-tradition
> and pride</flt commercial>
What you just said is: party compos allowing email entries stand on a much lower level than those with email entries forbidden. Take a look at, for example, msx compos from last year's Forever or North Party, and think it over once again. |
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Slator
Registered: Jan 2002
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why not cancelling all parties and just allow email compos?
parties are a relict of ancient time, and one of the rules that has always been there is, that the organizers make the rules, you don't like them (rules), then stay away :-D
there are enough parties where you can drop in your stuff by email so take one of those and keep calm, why changing everything to the modern shit?
why using a c64? ancient piece of retarded hardware.
let the parties be like how the organizers and visitors want them. if all parties are like the same then everything that makes something special is gone....
if you are not able to make it to a party, then it is your fault maybe :-D
the world is a village (Germanism) :-D
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Just ask someone to pretend at the party if he's you and problem solved. That should work fine on huge parties, as not a sinlg organiser will tell whether it's me or lets say, TMR handing over the contribution, infact if he gets drunk enough to puke around the computers and bore people with drunktalk noone will tell the difference.
Heck, I'm competing quite actively since '97 but I can't remember if someone ever disqualified any of my contributions becasue I wasn't present at the location while the party was going on. I guess that the orgas should anyway be happy as a little monkey for every single release they get, so most likely they'll accept anything they get into their hand, would that be contributed via email, snailmail or with a simple everyday teleport-device.
Anyone had negative experiences considering this rule? Actually, I wanted to compete at LCP, but Vision or SceneCON seem as fine alternatives if the scene-spirit goes wrong at LCP.
I visited three parties till now, and probably won't be able to visit any german or swedish parties in the near future, consequently if a rule like that would be hard and strict, I probably wouldn't compete at all. |
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hollowman
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 474 |
>Uhm floppy seems to accept mail entrys. or >atleast "someone in the group is present", since f.e >jailbird competed at floppy with a picture, hcl being the >one from booze designs to hand it in I suppose.
>LCP is quite strict in that regard it seems.
uhm, if lcp is so strict, how come ed&joe
competed at lcp2000 and britelite at lcp2001 ? |
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Hate Bush
Registered: Jul 2002
Posts: 462 |
> there are enough parties where you can drop in your
> stuff by email so take one of those and keep calm,
> why changing everything to the modern shit?
Modern doesn't mean worse in some cases. If we were all traditional, and stick to what we are used to, skipping all that 'modern shit', we would never get out of caves I guess.
> why using a c64? ancient piece of retarded hardware.
I don't use a C64, my dear. At least not in its pure original form.
> let the parties be like how the organizers and
> visitors want them. if all parties are like the
> same then everything that makes something
> special is gone....
It depends on what you consider special. If being in direct personal contact with other sceners is what counts for you when it comes to parties, you're right. For me, it's rather a possibility to compete with other maniacs, trying to squeeze a piece of music from 3 channels of synthetic clicks and whines, that I think of as something special. And internet compos are not the same thing - the difference is similar to that between organizing a DJ gig, and selling records for home listening purposes.
> if you are not able to make it to a party, then
> it is your fault maybe :-D
signed, Margaret Thatcher/Onslaught. :) |
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Hate Bush
Registered: Jul 2002
Posts: 462 |
> if lcp is so strict, how come ed&joe
> competed at lcp2000 and britelite at lcp2001
Maybe different people are treated differently. For some of them, the organizers are ready to make exceptions, and for some of them not. I hope I am wrong. |
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blackdroid
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Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 84 |
Quote: >Uhm floppy seems to accept mail entrys. or >atleast "someone in the group is present", since f.e >jailbird competed at floppy with a picture, hcl being the >one from booze designs to hand it in I suppose.
>LCP is quite strict in that regard it seems.
uhm, if lcp is so strict, how come ed&joe
competed at lcp2000 and britelite at lcp2001 ?
Joe's and Ed's contributions was disqualified at LCP'2000
Only Clone's pic was accepted since Clone was there.
Hence my assumption that Autoboy and Frantik took their rules seriously. |
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Stryyker
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 468 |
I think all you Europeans should fly over to Oz so we can have a decent size C64 only party...
To be honest, who cares about this? The organisers organise it as they want. It is essentially their party. They do the hard work getting it going. If you have major problems, hold onto a compo entry for a little while longer or send your work for use in some demo or diskmag (I'd love some tunes). Alternatively you hold your own party. |
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Nightlord
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Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 131 |
hmm,
i do respect the party atmosphere and all the rules that the organizers are willing to apply. as i said i am sure there were reasons to why organizers decide to let email entries out.
i just would like to be a part of those parties, mostly being there in person. but even getting visas to european union countries from non-eu (plus muslim) countries are ever harder after sep11. i wouldn't be able to even get a visa without an invitation from some legal body i think. anyway that's off topic...
but i would still suggest a discussion about demo compos. i mean how many demos were there totally released in floppy + forever + deadline + vision. less than 15 i guess. i wouldn't expect an overflow problem for demo compos if the e mail entries were allowed. if an overflow do happen then maybe a preselection by the organizers would work.
simply put i think i won't have a chance of competing in the higher quality level of those scandinavian parties. and if people are finding ways around those rules by joining groups or getting members for one day than there seems to be some trouble inherent in those rules to me.
and by te way all these discussions should not mean that i am against parties and promoting web compos. i think the parties are one of the very last things that still keeps the scene going. so long live the parties and if e mail entries will cause parties to diminish and disappear in time then i shut up immediately. but i was hoping letting email entries (especially for demos) would help the scene. i might be wrong...
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Stryyker
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 468 |
There is no need to compete at all parties (I doubt many these days could compete hard at all party demo compos) so why not be happy with what you have got currently? Personally I prefer the Dutch (RIP X) and German compos to those in Sweden (I'm not very artistic or deep). |
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blackdroid
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Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 84 |
Getting a vacation visa is as easy as it always have been in sweden, and I expect it to be as easy in the rest of .eu. Even travelling to .us for vacation is still easy.
Even for me with arabic background and lots of visas from saudiarabia, egypt, bahrain, dubai, jordan etc in my passport. So in other words nightlord, get j0 ass to LCP or Floppy ;) |
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hollowman
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 474 |
i realized that lcp was too artistic and deep for
me when booger/ht asked me to pull his finger |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: i realized that lcp was too artistic and deep for
me when booger/ht asked me to pull his finger
What happened when you did? |
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Puterman
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Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 188 |
TDJ: You mean you didn't read my party report? Wow, that hurts! |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: TDJ: You mean you didn't read my party report? Wow, that hurts!
Eh yes I did, but I thought you meant a different Hollowman. |
