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Blackspawn
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Tulip Computers' new strategy - what do you think?
http://www.tulip.com/aboutus/corp_article.asp?nid=109
Opinions? :/ |
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blackdroid
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uhm, like WTF! |
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hollowman
Registered: Dec 2001
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"Currently there are about 300 commercial websites that use the name Commodore or Commodore 64 without having a license from Tulip. Tulip will not allow unauthorised use of the Commodore brand."
sounds great, the illegal scene shall rise again! |
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Blackspawn
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Quote: "Currently there are about 300 commercial websites that use the name Commodore or Commodore 64 without having a license from Tulip. Tulip will not allow unauthorised use of the Commodore brand."
sounds great, the illegal scene shall rise again!
Mhehe, yeah exactly. :)
"The games offered by the Ironstone web-portal will include the famous ‘classic’ C64 games as well as exciting new games [...]"
>:) |
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Pixman
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Tulip Computers zijn klootzak. |
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hollowman
Registered: Dec 2001
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exciting new games ?
is richard involved in this also? :/ |
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T.M.R
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i was quite surprised that Ironstone (the PR bunnies involved) are based in the U.K. (they have an inner London telephone number on Tulip's piece and the U.K. dialcode on their site). At some obscure time this morning, i sent an email to Tulip asking for clarification on a few of the points in their news piece and, now that i'm properly awake, i did the same to Ironstone's PR bunnies. Obviously, i'll keep people posted if anything surfaces.
Personally, i think they're on a loser - look what happened to commodore64.com (Web Computers' site for their Web.It) and how badly that fared. Trying to charge people for what they do for free themselves doesn't inspire brand loyalty... |
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Merman
Registered: Dec 2002
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Having read the discussion at Lemon64, I don't think we need to worry. In six months' time they will have slunk away again having wasted a lot of money on PR.
I would point out that there are some real problems with the copyright issue - the Commodore Internet Archive site got shut down because of just a few games that are now officially protected under international law.
But I don't see how they can stop the sheer number of sites online without a lot of work. We can also claim we are like music fans who start their own site - we are celebrating what we love, not infringing on their rights. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
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I suppose they will stirr some attention in retro-related forums and make retro collectors unhappy..
Scene will have fun (as always) and Tulip guys will look ridiculous. (Ups.. they already look ridiculous. I'm going to publish that PR article at c64.sk so you can comment it before they will delete it don't worry ;-)
I look forward for their portal. I sense a lot of life and fun from that side ;-). It'll be great fun to read how Tulip organises C64 computer parties, and gives away great prices in C64 compos. I'll maybe get permission to visit C64 related conferences. MAybe even food and sleep for free. Yeah lotsa bucks ahead ;-))). Let's jump on the train until it's too late. Ups... it's already too late.. april the 1st was more than 3 months ago.. ;-) |
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Richard
Registered: Dec 2001
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They're making our lives plain misery. I wish dickheads like IDSA and Tulip/Ironstone would get a life and leave us enthusiasts alone. They're worse than G.W.Bush! |
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Richard
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: exciting new games ?
is richard involved in this also? :/
No! This is because all software I produce is freeware and I still hold the license of the software and will not let Tulip/Ironstone steal it from me. |
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T.M.R
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Is it just me or does Tulip/Ironstone sound like a scener...? Fake label, anyone? =-) |
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Richard
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Don't tell me about fake labels. I had enough trouble with those Urine, SealSEX and Lap Dancers people |
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zdzisek
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Quote: Don't tell me about fake labels. I had enough trouble with those Urine, SealSEX and Lap Dancers people
Face the fact, Richard - your existence in the C64 scene wouldn't be so exciting without them, would it? ;-) |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
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More news about "Tulip" incident. http://www.lemon64.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8412&postdays=0&po.. Courtessy of Chris Abbott. |
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Richard
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: Face the fact, Richard - your existence in the C64 scene wouldn't be so exciting without them, would it? ;-)
Probably not. But, let's move to the subject regarding Tulip.
I feel relieved that Tulip wont stop people from using the words Commodore, C64 without (TM) marked between it. It appeared what Tulip had said was wrongly worded. They'll be aiming for any web sites that contain any games that are protected with copyright and no authorised permissions from those (ex)software houses. |
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Almighty God
Registered: Dec 2001
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What a bloody people, they want to control everything and get profit with everything. Please left commodore64 comunity alone. Create your owm logos and makes and try to put them on the top. What a lame people with such a low imagination of creativity. It's very funny, your are not gonna produce anything, no hardware, no software just make money with actual stuff and websites, what a lame people...
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Six
Registered: Apr 2002
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I'm waiting for the DMCA order to cease and desist displaying the Commodore logo on my arm. ;)
Seriously, though, It'd be nice to see some real dollars go into new Commodore hardware development. Affordable HD's and perhaps a C65 re-production.
Unfortunately, it looks like they just own the rights to the brand name and logo. |
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Derision
Registered: Feb 2002
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Well, every time that somebody's tried to "bring the C64 back", it's turned into a debacle. How many companies have "owned" the Commodore name, and how many of them have also folded like card tables immediately after making some grandeous claim of revitalizing the industry.
It would be nice to see some money funnelled into developing C64 peripherals, and maybe even new C64's. The Commodore One could benefit mightily simply because of it's expandability, and the fact that it has the capability to be more than just a C64... but we've seen the development trend before with CMD. Unless these guys really, really love the 64 -- more than they love making a profit -- it's not going to last very long.
I hate to be the pessimist... but this all feels like not much more than a noble effort, at best. I guess we have to wait and see what the outcome will be. |
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Six
Registered: Apr 2002
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What would be nice is the new Commodore venture funding some research into continuing the logical path that the original Commodore computer and MOS was up to. (C65 modernized?)
PC's could be considered a brief diversion, but the capabilities of a modern PC would have to be equalled or exceeded for a single-brand product to excell.
But, if they managed to launch a single product, then the brand-recognition value of the Commodore name becomes profitable. The only inherent value in the "Brand" is in selling something via said "Brand", so we know that's coming at some point. The "Brand" is the thing of value that's just been transferred, thus we know it must have some value. (And thus, we should expect actual, physical products to be associated with it.) Every single die-hard Commodore guy is going to want one of whatever this new Tulip venture mass-produces, even if it's just staplers and pens for promotion of the brand.
Or perhaps I'm just rambling. Just some thoughts on the subject, anyway... |
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Stingray
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I remember when Escom owned Commodore, they had some big plans to put 64's back in to production to sell in countries where PC's are to expensive for the normal person to own. It would have been great, but I wonder how series they were? |
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fade
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well maybe you can make comparisons of pc and the x-box. For how long will we wait before a p3 733mhz machine (dunno if this is correct speed) becomes to outdated for technological chip advances of pc?.
There's a lot of money to be made for that evil company from games as they buy all the hardware specs from other companies. So naturally, all the 64 community needs is a Howard Hughes figure to say "Hey, I want a 64 (not c1) that can keep up without losing it's roots and not be a edo ram whore like scpu" |
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Derision
Registered: Feb 2002
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That's exactly what needs to happen, but it's unlikely that it is.
The Commodore name itself isn't going to sell a lot of units. If that were the case, the Amiga would still be a platform as readily supported as the Mac or PC; but it's not, even though it outperformed them in it's day (and is still a powerhouse). These days, though a perfectly viable "hobbyist" machine, any new Commodore product would need power and compatability (Win/Mac/Linux, USB, PCI, etc.) to be commercially successful.
It's a horrible thing, I know... but it's how the market works. And how people work. The average user wants something they're not going to have to jump through hoops to find peripherals and/or software for.
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Stryyker
Registered: Dec 2001
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SCPU doesn't use EDO RAM :) |
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fade
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please tell me it doesnt use simm8 ? :) |
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Graham
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you can use edo ram in ps/2 slots... so i guess scpu simply has ps/2. |
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Mihai
Registered: Feb 2002
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Scpu has 'Fast page memory' |
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Richard
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: Face the fact, Richard - your existence in the C64 scene wouldn't be so exciting without them, would it? ;-)
I guess not! |
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Stryyker
Registered: Dec 2001
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One of the CMD people at some time, maybe in Commodore World, mentioned what RAM types SCPU needed. It was fast page memory. They also mentioned arrangements and stuff and I'm sure it was EDO timing for their memory controller why EDO cannot be used. I guess most of you don't care. |
